Al Qaeda Leader Beheads American citizen

[Drunkacho]

Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq beheaded an American civilian and vowed more killings in revenge for the "Satanic degradation" of Iraqi prisoners, an Islamist website says.

A poor quality videotape on the site showed a man dressed in orange overalls sitting bound on a white plastic chair in a bare room, then knelt on the floor with five masked men behind him.

"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael... I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah," said the bound man, adding he was from Philadelphia.

One of the masked men read a statement urging Muslims to seek revenge after pictures were published of Iraqi prisoners being abused by U.S. troops at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

"Nation of Islam, is there any excuse left to sit idly by? And how can free Muslims sleep soundly as they see Islam being slaughtered, honour bleeding, photographs of shame and reports of Satanic degradation of the people of Islam, men and women, in Abu Ghraib prison?" the statement said.

The masked men then pushed the 26-year-old American to the floor and shouted "God is greatest" above his screams as one of them sawed his head off with a large knife then held it aloft for the camera.

The Web site said Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top ally of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, was the man who cut off Berg's head. The statement in the video was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated May 11.

Jordanian-born Zarqawi, 37, has raised his profile and status as al Qaeda's most active operational leader with a series of suicide bombs and attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq.

"This shows the true nature of the enemies of freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "They have no regard for the lives of innocent men, women and children. We will pursue those responsible and bring them to justice."

Source: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040511/325/etb06.html

Did anyone else read this? I find this to be one hell of an extreme act of cowardice. It kinda resembles that **** in Chechnya I read about a while ago, a group of rebels go round executing innocent people/soldiers because they get kicks out of it.

Absolutely ****ing disgusting...

I have actually laid eyes on this video, which is really low quality. It's not so much the sight of it, but more the sound. All 5 of those cowardly bastards were chanting Allah as they proceeded to cut this guys head off.

Now I don't intend to be racist here, but I will say this;

**** all of you. I hope that some allied troops actually find you guys and cut your ****ing limbs off, then your head with a rusty blunt knife.

[Wrestlingmann]

Yea I read this. Disgusting. I wouldn't go as far as saying **** allah. Not all arabs are like them. 2 of my cousins are Half arab and they are nothing like that. But these bastards are as sick as they come and need to be stopped. If they are so fudgin tough then why do they have to cover their faces with those ski masks.

I was extremely disturbed with that Chechnya. They also blew up their president or something. Creepy bastards.


Another thing. How the hell does SAWING a guys head off make you closer to allah though.

[WordLife]

Yeah I heard about this on Good Morning America this morning, and it made me sick. Absolutely sick. I too can go as far as saying **** Allah. These damn towelheads are f'in cowards is all they are. When are these cowardly attacks going to stop? Rumsfeld needs to do something.

[R_A_V_E_N_kID_3_3]

I caught this story on the AOL welcome page, I didn't read the article but it just said something about it and had a pic, and I already knew it wasn't the most pleasant thing I've seen...

[The Kid]

Ok I'm going to get dissed really hard for this but just understand where I'm coming from. This person who died is a terrible thing but you have to understand why these "terrorists" ( stupid word to use BTW) did this. DId any of you not see the living conditions of these POW's? ANd in all honesty, is killing one American worse than that American being involved in the slaughter of innocent children because of Bush's love of money and power that having oil contracts would bring?

And all of you ****ing racists make me sick. **** Allah? like any of you know **** about their religeon. Don't always buy into the propaganda that CNN will have you believe. Everyone who said anything negative about Islam or Arabs is an idiot who allow themselves to be manipulated by the media. The exact same thing happened 1933-1945 in Germany. If you allow yourself to not be able to think for yourself than the world is doomed to recreate the past. Remeber before you label a whole group of people make sure you know everyone in that group. Otherwise you're judging more on the colour of their skin then the content of their character ( to borrow a quote from MLK)

[Wrestlingmann]

I said not to use that **** allah stuff. And actually i do know "****" about their religion.

Anyway. How could you justify killing an innocent person. Even if those FEW soldiers did treat thos POWs that way, there is no ****ing reason to kill another human being (Sawing of the guys ****ing head, just to get off). Even though I wouldnt do what they did, they are ****in POWs for petes sake. You don't think the opposing sides are doing the exact same thing. I think you make no sense when you say Terrorists is a stupid word, because thats what they are obviously.

[The Kid]

First off, I wasn't talking about you. I say it's a stupid word because the American soldiers themselves are terrorists by their own definition. And if you can't justify the killing of a person, then how do you justify US soldiers going to Iraq and killing children?

[Wrestlingmann]

Actually most of the children, if any since the "war", killed in Iraq are by their own people. Not by allied troops.

[Gravedigger]

First off, I wasn't talking about you. I say it's a stupid word because the American soldiers themselves are terrorists by their own definition. And if you can't justify the killing of a person, then how do you justify US soldiers going to Iraq and killing children?
The guy was freakin beheaded. Do you not get what that means? BEHEADED. The only thing worse, in terms of killing someone, than beheading a guy is making him kill himself.

Oh and what's this about US soldiers killing children? Can you show us pictures or videos of it? If you can, then I'll step down but if you're getting that info from news reports then I gotta ask why you made the comment about people believing what they're told.


And all of you ****ing racists make me sick. **** Allah? like any of you know **** about their religeon.
Why don't you step back and think about their reasoning for saying that. Of course they shouldn't have but you think that the comment means they don't know anything about the religion. These people believe their god wants them to do these things to all these people. These people are freakin insane because I have gone through religion classes and know a decent amount about the religions of people in the middle east. Not enough to consider myself an expert of course, but to my knowledge, there's really no religion that smiles upon the death of millions of people no matter what the reason is for that group of people to be killed for.

Of course you make it sound like the BEHEADING of a HUMAN BEING is nothing because some of the bombs/missles killed children. Well, it's kinda hard to do anything in a friggin country who are nothing but cowards who dress up as citizens and force people to let them live in their houses so that when a US soldier comes along, they can leap out and kill them.

I'm sure that back in Desert Storm, you probably would have been badmouthing Bush, Sr. and the US if Bush had OKed the assassination of Saddam. Just in case you forgot, they didn't OK it because he put a huge group of women and children around him so they didn't want to pull the trigger.

[Wrestlingmann]

BTW this wasnt just a normal beheding it wasnt just "chopped" off quickly Guillotine style.

This guys head was SAWed off slowly. Talk about torture. He screamed the whole time. Felt every single thing. Creepy Bastards.

[The Kid]

Ok I defentately said this wrong. This was a sick act by sick people. But I just wanted people to see things from both sides and how these US soldiers aren't excatly perfect. Everywhere I look I see glorification of the military, which sole purpose is to kill people in order to maintain the US domination of the rest of the world. Most of these people only see one side. You have to see where these "terrorists" are coming from as well. I still don't support it because I feel all war is wrong and there's never a good excuse for killing someone. And these racists just piss me off. If these were black people would you hate them? You have to learn to seperate people from their race/ nationality.

[Unleashed]

yeah i know it's sickening that these idiot Al Qaeda are killing innocent people for their own religion.These Muslims thinks that the americans are killing the muslim religion and also by these activities of these idiots muslims every country is now making it tough for other innocent muslims.


BTW:Allah is the Muslim religion's god

[Gravedigger]

Ok I defentately said this wrong. This was a sick act by sick people. But I just wanted people to see things from both sides and how these US soldiers aren't excatly perfect. Everywhere I look I see glorification of the military, which sole purpose is to kill people in order to maintain the US domination of the rest of the world. Most of these people only see one side. You have to see where these "terrorists" are coming from as well. I still don't support it because I feel all war is wrong and there's never a good excuse for killing someone. And these racists just piss me off. If these were black people would you hate them? You have to learn to seperate people from their race/ nationality.
So, do you think the US military should be shunned and looked down upon on the news? That's not how you keep morale up in a country. People have eyes, people have brains. Although they are being built up as people who can do no wrong, US television still talks about and shows the torture that the Americans committed. Anyone with half a brain still shakes their head at the scenes in disgust.

All I hear lately is about the US torturing Iraq people, go to a US town and watch the news stations, that's all they talk about. US citizens know about the torture, but that doesn't mean we're not going to celebrate the soldiers anyway.

If you had a family member who killed someone, would you shun them and never speak to them again or would you hug the person and say that you're still there for them even though they did wrong?

[SCOTT]

Well I guess they had to retaliate some how, even if it is the innocent that have to suffer, which they always do in war.

Digger woman and children have been killed in the war I don't know how you can deny that just because you have not seen video footage or a picture of it, I think it’s pretty sick to ask for that as evidence really.

[Peoples King]

People that said **** Allah make me sick. Do you realise that the people that committed this autrocity are extremists who twisted the teachings of a religion for their own gain. So you people have no right to say **** Allah. What gives you the right to say it? Because you come from the great and powerful west? Get off your high ****ing horse. If I said **** Jesus I'd have a ****load of you ****ers down on top of me. So infact I would like an apology AND if I dont get it Im going to recommend warnings because of racism.

Now then onto the issue at hand and that is the killing of an innocent man. This does make me sick. And you are right when you say that these people are cowards because that exactely what they are. They hide behind masks and kill innocent men. They manipulate the teachings of their religion and send others to die. This is one of the worst acts of violence in this whole conflict no doubt about that.

Now then onto the American troops torturing prisioners. This can never be excused. As the worlds largest "democracy" the US can ill afford to have its troops carrying out actions like that. The men and women that carried out these acts are scumbags of the highest order. And it was not just a few. A US general told the Senate that a whole batallion of troops including commanding officers are to blame for these acts.

Now then someone said the other side would do the same. Well remember back around the start of the coflict. An American female shoulder was shot and taken captive before later being "rescued." Well she would have died were it not for medical attention, which she recieved in an Iraqi hospital. The same Iraqi hospital that she was "rescued" from.

Finally, have any of you ever heard of the Geneva convention? You know the one that all legitimate armies and countries have to follow in times of war. Yeah well those troops pissed all over that and thus pissed all over democracy.

Lastly let me just state again how shocking the murder of an innocent American civilian was. My thoughts are with his family at this time.

[Drunkacho]

Maybe what I said was a little out of context, but I stand by the majority of what I said.

I can assure everyone that the, "**** Allah" comment was not aimed at the Muslim community as a whole, but rather at those 5 guys who committed this atrocity. It probably was the wrong thing to say. It's kinda hard to explain what I mean here as I reflect upon it now... It seemed fine to me as I posted it, no racism intended whatsoever. So I give my apologies to anyone I offended.

[Gravedigger]

Digger woman and children have been killed in the war I don't know how you can deny that just because you have not seen video footage or a picture of it, I think it’s pretty sick to ask for that as evidence really.
The way it was worded made it sound as if these US soldiers specifically went in and started killing women and children. Of course I understand that innoncent people get killed in wars and nowhere in my post did I deny that at all.

I denied that US soldiers did it on purpose. When you have a group of bad guys hiding amongst citizens and the "other side" starts shooting, innocents are bound to take a bullet or two.

And about the evidence, it wasn't sick because I'm sure the guy can't find any proof of US soldiers going into Iraq to kill women and children. He bashed people who listen to the media without seeing things on camera when he was obviously doing the same thing.

He made it seem as though he's seen video or pictures online or on the news of soldiers killing women and children and I was just calling him out on his comments.

[SCOTT]

Well how you worded it seemed like you wanted pictures and video footage of women and children been butchered by U.S soldiers for evidence, which frankly I found rather sick to even ask for such things even if it is untrue.

I think he knows that US troops didn’t go to Iraq to purposely go out and kill the innocent; I’m a bit dumbfounded that you even thought he was even trying to say that because I find that to be ludicrous.

[The Kid]

Ok I definately worded it wrong but that doesn't change the fact that innocent people are getting killed by US troops as well as these extremists. I find that you see the troops praised too much, yes they risk their lives but they take the lives of others as well. So in other words Brave? Yes but Heroes? Hell No. In my opinion there should be no honor in killing anyone, man, woman or child.

[SCOTT]

To be fair kid you can not just say the American troops alone are killing the innocent civilians, so are the British, Spanish, Australian and Polish, in war the innocent do get killed its something that you can't just avoid... Officially they do not try to kill innocent civilians on purpose!

Read diggers post for one example of why the innocent might be killed.

[Wrestlingmann]

Hey scotty dont forget the Italian army. They are in too.

[The Kid]

I know it's not just the Americans. I feel all war is wrong. Whether America is involved or not. I'm just saying that people should think before they give some people a whole lot of credit. No disrespect intended to anyone here.

[Drunkacho]

but Heroes? Hell No. In my opinion there should be no honor in killing anyone, man, woman or child.

I kinda see where you're coming from with that point...

But on the other hand you just **** on every single person who fought and risked/gave their lives 60 years ago for the freedoms that we take for granted today.

[SCOTT]

Hey scotty dont forget the Italian army. They are in too.

Opps sorry didn't mean to forget them.

What I don't like is how the war was glorified by the Americans once it was over and during the war. Also they seem to have forgotten that they had help with the war and fail to mention collation forces when ever they praise the war.

[Wrestlingmann]

Wasnt a large group of British troops resposible for the capture of Saddam?

[SCOTT]

I fail to see how that makes any kind of difference… There is still collation forces over there fighting and you think because group of men from the USA captured Saddam that the collation do not deserve any recognition sorry but I fail to see how that is fair, If that is what you are trying to say I find you very ignorant and self centred.

[Gravedigger]

Well how you worded it seemed like you wanted pictures and video footage of women and children been butchered by U.S soldiers for evidence, which frankly I found rather sick to even ask for such things even if it is untrue.
No, wait, you're wrong. I went back and looked at what I said:


Can you show us pictures or videos of it? If you can, then I'll step down but if you're getting that info from news reports then I gotta ask why you made the comment about people believing what they're told.

I never once asked him to show us evidence. I asked him "Can you show us pictures or videos of it?", not WILL you show us the evidence. BIG difference.

[Qwaar-Jet]

I just watched the video.It was just.......just vile.I can't believe what I just saw.And to quote a well-respected member on another forum I frequent :


Who honestly cares how the Iraqi prisoners were treated?"

[SCOTT]

Oh and what's this about US soldiers killing children? Can you show us pictures or videos of it? If you can, then I'll step down

Sounded like you wanted evidence to me, of children been killed because when he would have provided you with pictures and video footage you said “If you can, then I'll step down” in other words you would have shut up and would have been proved wrong if he did show you pictures and video footage. Or at least that’s how it came of to me on how you worded it.

[Drunkacho]

Sounded like you wanted evidence to me, of children been killed because when he would have provided you with pictures and video footage you said “If you can, then I'll step down” in other words you would have shut up and would have been proved wrong if he did show you pictures and video footage. Or at least that’s how it came of to me on how you worded it.

He said that because he knows that there isn't any such footage/images to begin with.

He challenged The Kid to prove him wrong, and he can't.

Thus Gravedigger wins. :chuckles:

[SCOTT]

Which brings me back to this comment that I made earlier :rolleyes:


Well how you worded it seemed like you wanted pictures and video footage of women and children been butchered by U.S soldiers for evidence, which frankly I found rather sick to even ask for such things even if it is untrue.

[Chazz]

I've been trying to figure out how to respond to this thread. First, what I am about to say comes from my point of view as an American. So, here we go.

I don't think their is anyone on this board who feels that war is a good thing. However, because of people like these terrorists and others who become dictators, we have war. Most people seem to feel that America had no right going into Iraq. I feel that we should have. Saddam was a threat to not only the US but to the world. Yea, he hates us with a passion, but still he was a threat to the world. If we had ignored Saddam, then people we say that we are cowards. So, Bush decided to go after him and the world called us money-hungry. It was damned if we do, or damned if we don't.

As for the coalition forces, I'll say this. I give props to Blair for backing the US. Personally, I like the guy. And, if there is not any credit being given to these coalition forces, then all I can say is blame the media here. The British were the first to back us, and for that they have my upmost respect.

Now, on to the beheading. This was just flat out wrong. Nobody deserves a punishment like this. And if you thought that Iraqi soldiers were treated bad, then wait til you see what happens. I probably shouldn't say that, but you know that some US soldiers are pissed and some would and could go to extremes to retaliate. This isn't the answer, and we shouldn't resort to tactics like the terrorists use. As for the radical islamists, I'll say this. Their is no amount of punishment that we could administer to them that would suffice for this act. I pray that these men are found and are punished for what they did. And, I feel they will.

As for the US military being so called "terrorists"? Are you kidding me? What has the US done that even classifies them in this catagory? We have gone to war to defend our country. I don't expect people who don't live here to understand this. Saddam is a terrorist sympathizer, and Bush said that he was going after not only terrorists, but also those who supported them. Be it right or wrong, that is what our President decided to do, and I support that. And this is where Blair comes in because he supported us even though his country was not attacked. You need to understand something. Bush's whole presidency changed the moment 9/11 happened. Everything he was focusing on got pushed back because of this event. The pressure was on our government to respond to these terrorists. So, Bush did what he felt he had to do. Calling our military (or anyone's military) terrorists is just plain dumb. We don't go to other countries and slaughter innocent people for the fun of it or for Allah. Our military's sole purpose is to defend our country and help others.

I know some of you won't agree with what I have said, and that is fine with me. And, I hope I have made sense with this because I wanted to try and make my point. Bottom line is that what these guys did was inhumane and really shows the lengths they will go to. These guys are terrorists and they should be punished for what they did.

[Drunkacho]

Well that's just the way you see it Scott, I see things completely differently from you.

[Peoples King]

Thing is Chazz Bush and his administration was planning an invasion of Iraq long before the 11-9 attacks. As well as that Saddam in no way supported Al Qaeda. Infact, as I have stated on countless occasions, Saddam and Bin Ladden hated one another. Osama was against Saddams regime and the treatment of his people.

BTW the US are terrorist sympathisers. The US supported and attempted to start a revolution in Venzula to over throw the democratically elected president, President Chavez. Why? Because Chavez refused to sell cheap oil to US companies and because he had opened talks with Cuba about trade. The US tried to install a pro-US big business president. Now I call that terrorism.

You see a huge problem with the US is that it constantly contradicts itself. It supported and armed Saddam and it has supported and armed countless dictators around the world.

[Chazz]

I know Saddam did not support Bin-Laden and Al-Queida. But, he did support terrorism. I can't argue with you on us supplying weapons to terrorists groups, but I also know that Bush Jr. was not the one who did it. Clinton did. Every country contradicts itself. Like I said, we were in a situation where we were damned if we do or damned if we don't. The fact remains and the point of this thread was that what those five guys did to that man was heinous, and should not be tolerated by anyone in the world.

[Cody Longpre]

I've seen the video. I was disturbed. I didn't see a link in here for it before, so have at it. i recomend no one watch this. His screams are haunting.

http://www.foundrynap.com/iraq2vediow.zip

[Drunkacho]

If you recommend nobody watch it, why post it?

The reason why there is no link is simply because I didn't really want to get in **** for posting such a thing...

[Qwaar-Jet]

Cody, we are all capable of finding if we want to, posting a link will only tempt people to see it more.And as soon as they have watched it they'll regret they ever did.

[SCOTT]

Well that's just the way you see it Scott, I see things completely differently from you.

I never said you didn't it was you who jumped in on me when me and digger where having lack of term a conversation.

[Drunkacho]

I never said you didn't it was you who jumped in on me when me and digger where having lack of term a conversation.

I jumped on you? It didn't seem that way to me...

I was just trying to explain what Gravedigger was saying and contribute to the discussion. But hey, I know what to do with my comments next time I have something to say... :whatevera


Cody, we are all capable of finding if we want to, posting a link will only tempt people to see it more.And as soon as they have watched it they'll regret they ever did.

Well in the end, he isn't forcing people to watch it. Just giving them the choice, if they decide to download it and find out that they can't deal, then that would be their problem. Not trying to come off as an ass, but it's true.

[SCOTT]

I jumped on you? It didn't seem that way to me...

I was just trying to explain what Gravedigger was saying and contribute to the discussion. But hey, I know what to do with my comments next time I have something to say... :whatevera

Yeah you jumped on me because instead of just expressing your view you went on to say that its over and digger won what the hell was all that about?

I have no problem with you wanting to say a view/opinion but when you come in and jump on me then declare its over I find that ignorant. :rolleyes:

[Drunkacho]

No, I didn't jump on you at all, I expressed my view then made a joke at the end of my post.

But hey, if you want to make a big deal over nothing, by all means do so.



I have no problem with you wanting to say a view/opinion but
when you come in and jump on me then declare its over I find that ignorant.

Right, you have no problem with me expressing my view/opinion, which is cool. Yet you refer to my opinion as 'jumping' on you which you seem to have a problem with here.

Can you say contradictory statement?

[SCOTT]

No, I didn't jump on you at all, I expressed my view then made a joke at the end of my post.

But hey, if you want to make a big deal over nothing, by all means do so.




Right, you have no problem with me expressing my view/opinion, which is cool. Yet you refer to my opinion as 'jumping' on you which you seem to have a problem with here.

Can you say contradictory statement?

That’s the point me and digger had something good going and you come in and make a pointless post because digger did deny that he wasn’t try to say that in the first place then you go on to say he won which was irrelevant. I found your post pointless and trying to have a shot it me which why I said jumping on me.

The post which we was talking about didn’t have your view or opinion in it you was trying to back digger up when clearly it was not needed because he was saying the opposite of what you was saying.

[Gravedigger]

GUYS GUYS...while I DO admit that I'm more than worth arguing over....there's no need because there's enough of me for both of you to worship ;)

Seriously, guys, chill.

[Cody Longpre]

Prophecy, I posted it for those who wanted to see it. Maybe out of curiosity. I just put I recomend you don't because it is graphic.

Quaar-Jet, you won't get in **** for giving people a way to see the vid. I meerly just put it there so those who wanted to see it could.

[Qwaar-Jet]

Telling them not to watch then putting a link next to it is stupid.

Putting a link there maybe allows people to watch when they don't want to, but their curiosity takes over and they watch it anyway.I don't think it's right to wash your hands on someone elses curiosity.People should be forced to look harder for the video because it allows them to make up their mind stronger before they watch it.

[Funk]

So Drunky and Scotty are fighting over what exactly?
those 5 guys represented... JUST THEM SELVES not Islam not Iraqis not Mid-Easters, just themselves, exactly like the snipers in the US back a while ago and the mass murderers all around the world they CAN NOT BE GENERALIZED.

I think that sums it up. :D

[Gravedigger]

So Drunky and Scotty are fighting over what exactly?
those 5 guys represented... JUST THEM SELVES not Islam not Iraqis not Mid-Easters, just themselves, exactly like the snipers in the US back a while ago and the mass murderers all around the world they CAN NOT BE GENERALIZED.

I think that sums it up. :D
no it doesn't. It was said that one of the commanding officers of the Iraq soldiers told them to do this. It was an order so they weren't representing themselves. They were representing the Iraq military.

[SCOTT]

To get back on topic what happened to that American citizen was just sick, the only thing that I can think of which provoked them into doing such a wicked act is how the POW where been treated in the prisons in Iraq which is also pretty sick. Even though POW where been treat bad that does not justify how they can take an innocent man American or not and proceed to chop his head off.

EDIT: I also think this would have happened even if the pictures of prisoners been abused where or where not released for public viewing, these guys are terrorist and take pleasure in killing innocent people. That is why I support the campaign against terrorism.

[Peoples King]

Iraqi military? So let me get this straight. A member of the DISBANDED Iraqi military hoped in a car went over and told five members of Al Qaeda to behead an American. GD, Funk is correct in what he has said. These five scumbags werent representing Islam or all the Iraqi people.

[SCOTT]

So Drunky and Scotty are fighting over what exactly?


Well if you cared to read our posts you would find out... :winkok:


those 5 guys represented... JUST THEM SELVES not Islam not Iraqis not Mid-Easters, just themselves, exactly like the snipers in the US back a while ago and the mass murderers all around the world they CAN NOT BE GENERALIZED.

I think that sums it up. :D

I thought they was linked to al Qaeda or part of some Iraqi residence but to be honest I really don't know :confused:

[Gravedigger]

my bad, it was five members of Bin Laden's terrorist network.

[Funk]

well scott, no offense but after I see two people bickering on and about, I skip their posts.

And they were connected to Al-Qaeda, but my point was they represent themselves, not islam.

[Wrestlingmann]

I know for a fact they dont represent islam because my uncle is infact islamic.

Anyway. Why argue over this topic. Dont give the terrorists or the currupt soliders the benifit of the doubt they we have to argue over who is wrong. They both are. They are both disgusting acts of humiliaton and violence. IMO neither deserve to be argued over, that would give the bad people of the world even more incentive to do these crimes. They want a reaction.

[Gravedigger]

I know for a fact they dont represent islam because my uncle is infact islamic.

Anyway. Why argue over this topic. Dont give the terrorists or the currupt soliders the benifit of the doubt they we have to argue over who is wrong. They both are. They are both disgusting acts of humiliaton and violence. IMO neither deserve to be argued over, that would give the bad people of the world even more incentive to do these crimes. They want a reaction.
I seriously doubt they check the internet to see what people are saying about them. If they check anything it's the news on TV.

[Wrestlingmann]

I ment in general. Its the point that its arguing over them.

[SCOTT]

well scott, no offense but after I see two people bickering on and about, I skip their posts.

And they were connected to Al-Qaeda, but my point was they represent themselves, not islam.

LMAO coming from you I just have to laugh and at you really but i'll go on to say.... why ask what we was fighting over in the first place :whatevera

[Funk]

I know when I am bickering with another member that you shouldn't read my posts, and I frankly support it. And that is coming from me :whatevera

I was asking beacause the whole thread was you two, and it was getting in the way of posts that actually have to do with the title.

[SCOTT]

I know when I am bickering with another member that you shouldn't read my posts, and I frankly support it. And that is coming from me :whatevera

I was asking beacause the whole thread was you two, and it was getting in the way of posts that actually have to do with the title.

Funk you have no room to talk to say other member should not read your posts if your "bickering" with someone :whatevera

The whole thread was not me and drunk at all and please tell me how we are able to get in the way of other people from posting :rolleyes:

[Funk]

Someone obviously didn't understand my post.

I meant that when two peolpe are argueing over and over, it is unentertaining and confusing for other readers. And when i argue with others I don't mind if they don't read my posts, understand?

And I never said It gets in the way of people posting, I said they got in they way of POSTS that were related to the title.

Actually on topic:

Wilse made a post on the IOW version of the thread, it makes some pretty wierd points that the terrorists were actually americans. and it was a hoax.

[SCOTT]

Yeah and i don't mind if people dodn't read my posts but when my posts are smack bam in your face then you come in and say what it was all about, to me that makes you look like an idiot.

On topic, I really don't know what to say about the post Wilse made because the thought of the Americans doing it makes me dumbfounded.

[Drunkacho]

I wasn't fighting...

I could care less about it, which is precisely the reason why I just gave up on the pursuit of trying to get a point across. Which reminds me, I better insert some sort of smiley just so Scott knows I'm joking here too.

[Funk]

OMG...burn? *scratches head*

I just plain old hate extremists, be it political, religious, or any other sort.

[Drunkacho]

OMG...burn? *scratches head*

Nope no burn, I love Scott too much to do that. It's just a little humour. :winkok:


I just plain old hate extremists, be it political, religious, or any other sort.

We're in the same boat on that one my friend.

[Gravedigger]

Someone obviously didn't understand my post.

I meant that when two peolpe are argueing over and over, it is unentertaining and confusing for other readers. And when i argue with others I don't mind if they don't read my posts, understand?

And I never said It gets in the way of people posting, I said they got in they way of POSTS that were related to the title.

Actually on topic:

Wilse made a post on the IOW version of the thread, it makes some pretty wierd points that the terrorists were actually americans. and it was a hoax.
They were arguing over something I said that had to do with the topic so they were on topic. Me and you argued over and over in that one thread on IOW. For anyone who read the posts in that topic it certainly wasn't confusing. I think the only person confused here is you and that's because you didn't read the other posts in the topic.

And finally, Wilse's post didn't show that it was a hoax. It showed that it was Americans that beheaded him and no one else.

[The_Wolf]

whats bad is that stuff like this probably happens nearly everyday in iraq, this war would have that many secrets and stuff not been told about.