Survivor Series 2004 Discussion Thread

[Sunshine]

Here is the full and final card for WWE Survivor Series, including both Raw & Smackdown matches:

*Survivor Series Elimination Match: Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton & Maven vs. Triple H, Batista, Edge, & Gene Snitsky. The winning team will have matchmaking control of Raw for a month (one week for each team member).

*Shelton Benjamin vs. Christian

*Trish vs. Lita (Women’s Title)

*Undertaker vs. Heidenreich

*Survivor Series Elimination Match: Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak & Carlito Caribbean Cool vs. Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, Rob Van Dam, & John Cena

*JBL vs. Booker T (Heavyweight Title)

*Rey Myseterio vs. Spike Dudley vs. Billy Kidman vs. Chavo Guerrero (Cruiserweight Title)


Im hoping to death Booker T wins. Yes, JBL proved people wrong about him being a champ, but his time is over. Booker deserves it. All these years of jobbing in the WWE. After losing to HHH, hes always been stuck in tag team or IC/US title places. But i wonder what will happen to JBL. Im thinking Booker is gonna win, because this is the first time JBL didnt guarentee a win.

[legendaryken]

As predicted elsewhere, Booker to take the title and JBL to head to Raw. Good news all round I reckon.
Other winners:
Orton - as per spoilers
Shelton Benjamin - hasn't had it for long. Rematch soon.
Trish - A heel's gotta win one of the matches.
Taker - alternative unthinkable, unless it's a major interference type of finish.
Big Show - could be the best match.
Billy Kidman appears to be getting the nod. Time for Spike to hand it over.

[Gravedigger]

Yeah, but if JBL goes to RAW, he can't drive up his limo to ringside. I know that sounds like I'm making fun of the guy, but I'm being serious... :thinking:

[Don Carlito]

Yeah, but if JBL goes to RAW, he can't drive up his limo to ringside. I know that sounds like I'm making fun of the guy, but I'm being serious... :thinking:

Ya that is so true, but imo if JBL goes to RAW that will be the worst thing in the world for him coz he doesn't fit in the roster and won't be able to be the JBL from Smackdown ( The Whole HHH thing ) and Smackdown will lose another " TOP " Superstar to RAW and that can't be good.

[Cena316]

Well I hope Taker wins because they have built him up before and then he lost. Also I hope Booker takes the title...ALso who is planning on reading the Play By Play?

[Gravedigger]

Ya that is so true, but imo if JBL goes to RAW that will be the worst thing in the world for him coz he doesn't fit in the roster and won't be able to be the JBL from Smackdown ( The Whole HHH thing ) and Smackdown will lose another " TOP " Superstar to RAW and that can't be good.
lol exactly. That is the precise reason why HHH is so lame and I hate watching him on TV so much. Every decision made on RAW or every person who is to be brought over from SD has to be compared to HHH. Meaning that they have to see if the decision or person being brought over will affect HHH's status in a good way or a bad way. The WWE CAN'T just look at it from the perspective of whether or not it's good for WWE. They FIRST have to look at it from the HHH perspective, THEN the WWE perspective.

I honestly thought Pat Patterson quitting would be a sign of the end of HHH's power reign in WWE. The fact that it's not over proves that WWE cares more about HHH than the rest of the employees in the company.

EDIT: I'm planning on reading the Play By Play, because I don't want to waste my time going to someone's house to watch it.

[Cena316]

Just letting everyone know.....


Survivor Series
Play By Play

Here is how it will work. At 7pmET the Survivor Series Preview show will begin. All news leading up to the PPV will be posted there.

At 8pmET the Survivor Series Play By Play will begin. There will only be one match posted at a time.Each match will have about 5-10 updates depending on how long the match is. The page will be updated every 2 or 3 minutes. You will need to update your browser to get current updates. After a match is over all updates for that match will be moved to a special section here at the forums. So if you have missed an update you can go there and read all of the updates.

Also tonight I will be doing something different. After Survivor Series is over I will break down each match and give my thoughts on the entire PPV. SO dont forget to read that. It will be called the Survivor Series Recap show.


So dont forget to read the Survivor Series Play By Play only at Wrestlepower.com.....

[Peoples King]

As far as promos went JBL was a good champion but when it came to matches he was nothing much. His only half decent matches were thanks to gimmicks and that doesnt make a good champion. JBL was a passable champion, good character wise but meh in the ring.

Survivor Series Elimination Match:
Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton & Maven
vs
Triple H, Batista, Edge, & Gene Snitsky.
Prediction: Have to go with the heels on this one. The WWE have built it up to look like the heels wont be able to work togeather but we all know what happens in these situations. Heels to rule supreme and the Triple H show will begin.

Shelton Benjamin vs. Christian
Prediction: Doesnt take a rocket scientist work this one out. Shelton Benjamin.

Trish vs. Lita (Women’s Title)
Prediction: Dont care, more then likely Lita.

Undertaker vs. Heidenreich
Prediction: Let me think...... Taker and then its back to nobody land for little Johnny.

Survivor Series Elimination Match:
Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak & Carlito Caribbean Cool
vs
Eddie Guerrero, Big Show, Rob Van Dam, & John Cena
Prediction: Team Gurrero to get the win this time round. It will be Cena that gets the deciding fall since this is after all his big comeback.

JBL vs. Booker T (Heavyweight Title)
Prediction: I have a good feeling that Booker T will come out of this with the win. I dont know why but I just have a feeling that the WWE are finally looking to give him the strap.

Rey Myseterio vs. Spike Dudley vs. Billy Kidman vs. Chavo Guerrero (CruiserweightTitle)
Prediction: By far the hardest to predict. If it werent for Spike this would be the show stealer. Elimination rules lead me to believe it will come down to Kiddman and Gurrero and I think lightening will strike twice at Survivor Series for Kiddman. He won the title in 2002 and he is going to win it again tonight.

[Superman33]

lol exactly. That is the precise reason why HHH is so lame and I hate watching him on TV so much. Every decision made on RAW or every person who is to be brought over from SD has to be compared to HHH. Meaning that they have to see if the decision or person being brought over will affect HHH's status in a good way or a bad way. The WWE CAN'T just look at it from the perspective of whether or not it's good for WWE. They FIRST have to look at it from the HHH perspective, THEN the WWE perspective.

I honestly thought Pat Patterson quitting would be a sign of the end of HHH's power reign in WWE. The fact that it's not over proves that WWE cares more about HHH than the rest of the employees in the company.
AH! You beat me to it Gravey. I hate it when people get compared to HHH due to his ****ing power.

[Cena316]

Well Survivor Series is in the books. What are your thoughts. Also if you read the play by play what are your thoughts on that.

[Superman33]

Booker got the shaft . . . again.

Aside from that small part I thought it was a good show.

[Sunshine]

RESULTS!


WWE Championship
JBL def. Booker T

Intercontenental Championship
Shelton Benjamin def. Christian

The Undertaker def. John Heidenreich

Classic Survivor Series Match
Eddie Guerrero's team def. Kurt Angle's Team

Women's Championship
Trish Stratus def. Lita via DQ

Cruiserweight Championship Fatal Fourway
Spike Dudley def. Billy Kidman,Chavo Guerrero,& Rey Mysterio

Classic Survivor Series Match
Randy Orton's Team def. Triple H's Team

Ah fudge, Booker lost...i bet 5$ on that friggin match..ARGH!! I just thought JBL would do what Big Show did...promise to quit if he lost, then lose, then get resigned by a new GM. Im just getting sick of JBL...he proved everyone wrong, but his time is up. Im hoping this feud does not end. This one can lost to one more PPV, whereas Booker wins.

The Classic matches were good. But they werent as good as the years before...Whats up with Maven in it? Is he finally gonna get a push? I gave up on him months ago...Im guessing John Cena will fly back to Australia to film his movie. Was nice to see him.

[Cripplerlock]

I pretty solid ppv. I have no real complaints about anything. Well one thing is for sure. It was definitely a night for the faces. I am sure some of us including myself were predicting Christian and Evolution to win their matches, but that was not the case. If I had to name too stars that really stood out tonight it would be Benjamin and Orton. Heck, JR was practically telling us Benjaimin is going to be a major star in 2005. All speculation aside, Benjamin is one of the best pure athletic wrestlers I have seen in a long time. Definitely knows his technical wrestling but has some extra speed and martial arts to go along with it. Also since they had both Smackdown and Raw announce tables at ringside this time, I was begging Tazz to go over to JR and just give him a glossary of suplexes. I don't know why they can't call it an exploder suplex and not a T-bone. Also that was a reverse suplex Benjamin did(very nicely I might add) not a reverse fisherman suplex. I am not even sure how you would do a reverse fisherman suplex. Anyhow Benjamin has a lot of momentum going. Question is what about Christian? I am not sure where he goes from here. Also can't this guy just get an extrance theme and stick with it. It was definitely a night for Orton as well. C'mon it is the perfect set up. Orton's team starts with a handicap. Orton is left alone with 2 major superstars and one is Triple H. This scenerio never looks good. The fact that Orton beat Triple H cleanly after a nice reversal of the pedigree into the RKO, a good sign. Understand that HHH does not just job in a ppv to anyone. Of course there was one unlucky face that could not catch a break, Booker T. Still no championship for him. I was also hoping for a better showing by the future heel stars like Batista and Jindrax, but they hardly had any offensive presence it their matches. Although he was not very effective in his match, you have to ask (looking back at the past few weeks) what is the sudden push with Maven. Is it me or does he look bigger now? I guess the WWE said they have to cash in one one to those tough enough winners. I guess I should mention Cena as well because he probably got one of the biggest pops of the night. I know Cena has this tradition of coming out wearing a jersey of the host city sports team, but I was glad that he got rid of that Cleveland Browns Jersey real quick. That fans in the arena must have thought his return was a miracle. I mean I don't know who Cena's "doctor" was but he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize or something. I mean anyone who can survive being stabbed in a kidney much less return to prowrestling in a couple of months or less, must have a had some superb medical help. If I didn't know any better, I would swear they were BSing everyone. Wait I do know better, and this stabbing angle is one along with several others(Katie Vick) I will never ever forgive WWE for doing.

Well SS is over and I am curious to see what the next 4 weeks of Raw is going to look like. Who will be in charge tommorow? I am kinda of curious to see what Maven's week is going to be like.

[Mac Daddy]

I'll be back later today to give my thoughts. I didn't see the show, but I can comment on the results, which were ... disappointing.

[legendaryken]

Well, I predicted 5/7 which is par for the course, I suppose. Booker must be scratching his head wondering who he has to shag to get the world title (Stephanie and Booker??? Somehow I don't see it happening. Shane might be a safer bet but that won't get him the title. Make a play for Linda is what I recommend.) I didn't see the PPV but thanks to Cena316's updates, I think I got the flavour.
As suggested elsewhere, the reason why team Orton won was, of course, to let each team member have a (losing) match against HHH in the next month, making Trips look even more indestructable......Cynical? Moi???

[Mac Daddy]

First of all, what was the purpose of having JBL retain the title? I mean the logical and fair thing would be to give Booker the title. You had Booker T, who’s been busting his chops for the WWE for three years and the champion JBL, whose title reign has been entertaining, but has now run its course. I understand that had JBL lost, it would have meant the end of his career, but I have NO problem with that; not because I possess any insolence for John Layfield, but because after losing the strap, I saw nothing more for Bradshaw to accomplish. So, the WWE had two choices: the logical one and the disappointing, nonsensical one. What happens? Of course – as always – they take the stupid path. But who knows? Maybe the WWE wants to surprise us and Booker will beat JBL on SmackDown or in a continued feud or maybe they have a better plan than that. But my initial feelings are, once again, the WWE has given the Booker Man and his fans, the shaft. Shame.

Shelton Benjamin’s going over Christian was a relief. I mean, honestly, I was worried. I had read some reports (yes, I’m still a little naïve) that said Christian might beat Mr. Benjamin for the strap at the Series. But I see that didn’t happen. The WWE made a very, very, very smart move here. Shelton Benjamin is not at the level of Christian as far as seasoning and it’d be the smart thing to have Benjamin retain, go on and continue to build himself up and allow Christian to go on to better things (how about injecting Captain Charisma as the new Evolution ally, instead of the Gene “The Horrible” Snitsky?)

Undertaker vs. Heidenreich. Whatever. Undertaker’s run since WrestleMania XX has been a bust and I certainly don’t care about Heidenreich now. After this, my hope is that ‘Taker will play a bigger role on SmackDown from week-to-week, though I seriously doubt it, and I hope Heidenreich all but disappears. There’s a good chance that one may happen and in this case, one out of two ain’t bad.

Team Eddie beats Team Angle. This match I really wanted to see. There are so many positives here. First, John Cena and Carlito Caribbean Cool. The WWE has done a good job at building the heat between these two. I think this feud is a perfect way to build up the talented Cool and build up to John Cena’s propulsion into the main-event scene. As far as Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle go, I’m not sure. I definitely don’t want to see these two face off again, but I have a feeling that may happen one more time. In respects to Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns, the WWE would be smart by placing these two in the tag division. And in terms of Mr. Thursday Night, if Booker T doesn’t have anything else to do with JBL, I think RVD would be the perfect contender for Mr. Layfield’s title.

Trish Stratus def. Lita via DQ. I hear Lita beat the crap out of Trish Stratus and bloodied her up. I personally don’t care about Lita, and now that the WWE has found a way to give Lita her revenge without placing the title on her sloppy self, Trish can go on to better things and feud and put over some other faces (if there’s any left. I forget).

The Cruiserweight title match result was another disappointing one for me. Spike Dudley has played his “Boss” role well, in my view, but I would have preferred if the returning Chavo Guerrero, or especially, Billy Kidman won the strap. But the more I think about it, the more I draw the conclusion that the WWE was running out of ideas for Spike and his two brothers, so they decided to let him keep the title.

It was predictable, but sweet nonetheless. Randy Orton overcame both Edge and the World’s Heavyweight Champion Triple H to carry his team to victory, further solidifying his face turn and build on his main-event credentials, which is something the WWE should have done prior to SummerSlam, saving us from the blunder of a title reign that ensued. Now that Orton’s team won, Orton becomes more over; we get good television on Monday nights for the next four weeks; and the WWE has been provided with an avenue to permit Gene “The Horrible” to fade into obscurity.

[The-Noodle]

It sucks that Booker lost to JBL, but I saw it coming. They were always gonna give him a long title reign, but this is just too long.

[Mac Daddy]

I guess I shouldn't have been so native. I mean Booker T was going over the champion, week-in, week-out, and that rarely results in an ultimate win at the pay-per-view.