JBL vs The Undertaker

[Big Shot]

This is the worst idea ever for a match IMO. JBL just got the title and he can't lose it already that would be the most pointless title reign ever and if he won then that would totally ruin The Undertaker. They also shouldn't have someone make the Taker lose cuz that happens all the time and it would be lame and not do anything for either character. So they should avoid this match at all costs at least for the time being and have JBL fight someone else.

[The_Wolf]

if JBL won it wouldnt ruin the undertaker, the only way it could ruin him is if they have JBL kick the living crap out of taker and get a clean win. which i wish would happen but offcourse it wont, i think JBL will win the match but offcourse he'll cheat and will somehow win. maybe the dudleys will do a run in and take out taker. i think if he beat taker it would be a perfect way to get him over as a world champ, but if there not gonna be serious with his title reign there better off just giving it to taker.

[Y2J World Champ]

They will probably make it into a casket match or a no disqualification match. Besides it will be smarter if the WWE would have the Undertaker winning the title, this way after Summerslam Cena can face Taker for the title and have Cena win this way it would give his title victory more credibility.

[Superman33]

Yeah, I was thinking a casket match as well.

[The Stig]

I don't think they should make another gimmick match for the WWE Title. They have been over using these types of matches, and its not the way to put over a champion or an event. I don't think Taker should be Champion. Someone new should step up and face JBL. Since JBL is the champion he has to hold the belt for a while, so the WWE Championship won't look like a joke. I know JBL isn't championship material, but he has to hold it for a while to preserve the image of the title. It's too early for him to loose.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well the WWE can always have JBL defeat Taker at SS with the help of John Heidenreich. This can lead to a JBL/Cena feud for the title in the next ppv and a Taker/Heidenreich feud as well seeing how taker told heyman a few weeks back that he is going to bury him or something like that.

[Mac Daddy]

Well the WWE can always have JBL defeat Taker at SS with the help of John Heidenreich. This can lead to a JBL/Cena feud for the title in the next ppv and a Taker/Heidenreich feud as well seeing how taker told heyman a few weeks back that he is going to bury him or something like that.


That wouldn't be such a good idea. #1 Heindenreich is a fresh rookie and he needs to be built up as a force before doing something big like costing Undertaker the title. The WWE has all this other talent like Rhyno just sitting around. If Paul E. was to get any revenge on Undertaker's betrayal, then it'd be better if they hooked Heyman up with someone like Rhyno to either succeed or fail at getting the job done. But at least Rhyno would get some airtime.


Besides, John Heindenreich is nothing special in the ring and Undertaker isn't all that great either.

[Y2J World Champ]

That wouldn't be such a good idea. #1 Heindenreich is a fresh rookie and he needs to be built up as a force before doing something big like costing Undertaker the title. The WWE has all this other talent like Rhyno just sitting around. If Paul E. was to get any revenge on Undertaker's betrayal, then it'd be better if they hooked Heyman up with someone like Rhyno to either succeed or fail at getting the job done. But at least Rhyno would get some airtime.

Besides, John Heindenreich is nothing special in the ring and Undertaker isn't all that great either.

Well thats what they said when JBL won the title. Many people said he wasn't going to win the title and all this and now look what happened. JBL is the champion so imo I think they will have John Heidenreich feud with Taker, because after SS I believe Smackdown has the No Mercy PPV and that PPV is not supposed to be a huge ppv so they can have Heidenreich vs Taker. Through the years there have been matches we disagreed with but the WWE still did it so they can always make that match for No Mercy.

[Mac Daddy]

Well thats what they said when JBL won the title. Many people said he wasn't going to win the title and all this and now look what happened. JBL is the champion so imo I think they will have John Heidenreich feud with Taker, because after SS I believe Smackdown has the No Mercy PPV and that PPV is not supposed to be a huge ppv so they can have Heidenreich vs Taker. Through the years there have been matches we disagreed with but the WWE still did it so they can always make that match for No Mercy.


JBL's winning the title still was a mistake. As others, I believe they should keep the belt on JBL for a reasonable amount of time now that they've given him the belt.


And just because JBL's title reign has turned out to be decent, doesn't mean we should jump off a risky cliff everytime and expect things to go over. Trust me when I say a John/Taker feud would be a puff of nothing.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well only time will tell.

But I'm still sticking with my idea for two reasons, Taker told Heyman a few weeks back to "Rest in Peace". And then a week later this Heidenreich promo showed up and he said Heyman gave him a chance. Well this shows me that Heyman is using Hendeinreich for protection against the undertaker. But thats just me.


And just because JBL's title reign has turned out to be decent, doesn't mean we should jump off a risky cliff everytime and expect things to go over. Trust me when I say a John/Taker feud would be a puff of nothing.

Well the WWE have been known to do that alot. Eugene, Shelton Benjamin, Brock Lesnar, JBL, Hardcore Holly, Mordecai, Kenzo Suzuki and the list goes on.

[Lover Nuts]

I say keep the belt on JBL for a reasonable amount of time since he has won it and put him in more high profile matches. SmackDown is already looking like a joke now so they need to make the best for JBL so hopefully in 6 months time he'll look better than he does now.

[Peoples King]

6 months! Shan are you mad!? Jesus I'd jump off a cliff if I had to see a 6 month JNL title reign.

Now I have noticed that people are saying that JBL's reign has been decent. In a way you are correct yet still completely wrong. As far as playing a role goes, JBL's title reign has been a good one. He does play his role well though Im confuddled as to why he has this new "Presidential" attitude. But has he proven himself as a champion? No. His match with Eddie in the Cage was nothing special, a mid card standard match at most. JBL's title reign isnt succesful until he blows the roof off the building. Eddie was never given a chance really, he was given the "Get Bradshaw over card" as champion. Eddie's title reign was mishandled when it could have been one of the best. They are trying their damndest to get JBL a good one. That to me is unfair on Eddie.

Now if anyone can get JBL over then it is the Undertaker. That man is forever over. It was Undertaker that really got Brock over when he jobbed to him in the HIAC at No Mercy 02. Undertaker will always be over no matter what. The bad thing about this match is that it does need a stipulation. Without some kind of a stip then this match is going to be a ****fest. Taker is 6'10, JBL is 6'7". That doesnt have classic written all over it.

I read the spoilers and I have to say, Undertaker sounded like a caveman, "You..... Me...... SummerSlam." Ugg? Yeah that is how all the great feuds started. Meh this match can blow chunks or be a bloody afair. JBL needs a stip. To be honest I dont care which one of them wins the title.

[Lover Nuts]

6 months! Shan are you mad!? Jesus I'd jump off a cliff if I had to see a 6 month JNL title reign.

What? STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT!

Sorry I didn't make my self clear. I was talking about the character in general and the way people look at him. Right now JBL has been given the title after his new character has only been in the WWE for roughly 2 months now.It's too much for people to digest and JBL needs a very VERY good match to get him over with the fans. Kissing babies and smiling at fans won't do.


Now I have noticed that people are saying that JBL's reign has been decent. In a way you are correct yet still completely wrong. As far as playing a role goes, JBL's title reign has been a good one. He does play his role well though Im confuddled as to why he has this new "Presidential" attitude. But has he proven himself as a champion? No. His match with Eddie in the Cage was nothing special, a mid card standard match at most. JBL's title reign isnt succesful until he blows the roof off the building. Eddie was never given a chance really, he was given the "Get Bradshaw over card" as champion. Eddie's title reign was mishandled when it could have been one of the best. They are trying their damndest to get JBL a good one. That to me is unfair on Eddie.

I agree with you that the cage match was nothing special and that Eddie's title reign was very mishandled but if JBL was to lose the title next week on SmackDown then that would look very stupid. He needs a reasonable amount of time with the WWE championship. He needs to look like he has power and that he's unstoppable. To me I think the creative are trying to make JBL the new Triple H of SmackDown, so that when JBL loses the belt to someone like Cena hopefully then there will be huge pops and people at home will be jumping out of their chairs. I know I will when that happens.


Now if anyone can get JBL over then it is the Undertaker. That man is forever over. It was Undertaker that really got Brock over when he jobbed to him in the HIAC at No Mercy 02. Undertaker will always be over no matter what. The bad thing about this match is that it does need a stipulation. Without some kind of a stip then this match is going to be a ****fest. Taker is 6'10, JBL is 6'7". That doesnt have classic written all over it.

I agree. At Summerslam when them two face they need a good stipulation. Perhaps a ladder match and if JBL loses then he gets fired so to speak. That would get ratings because people would love to see JBL gone from the WWE and that JBL would have to desperatelt retain the title. He should do something like Orton did at Backlash and land on some thumbtacks or something like that.

[Mac Daddy]

Well only time will tell.

But I'm still sticking with my idea for two reasons, Taker told Heyman a few weeks back to "Rest in Peace". And then a week later this Heidenreich promo showed up and he said Heyman gave him a chance. Well this shows me that Heyman is using Hendeinreich for protection against the undertaker. But thats just me.


Its clear that after watching Smackdown, Undertaker has taken mercy on Heyman and "passed him by" at Heyman's request. So, no, Hendenreich won't be used as a tool of revenge for Heyman. And I stick to my belief, that Matt Morgan is more talented than John and he deserves this spot.




Well the WWE have been known to do that alot. Eugene, Shelton Benjamin, Brock Lesnar, JBL, Hardcore Holly, Mordecai, Kenzo Suzuki and the list goes on.


What are you talking about? After my post, I dismissed any other great examples you may have by saying that even though taking chances may have worked times before, doesn't mean this Hendeinreich thing will work out. And why are Mordecai, Hardcore Holly, and Kenzo on that list?

[Y2J World Champ]

Well the reason I had Mordecai and Kenzo was mostly of how fast they received a push from the WWE so early in their career. The only reason I had Holly in there was because of him getting a WWE Title match.

Oh and I have heard that at Summerslam it was going to be RVD vs Booker t vs Cena for the U.S. Title.

[Peoples King]

Does anyone else wonder why the WWE toss away a promising talent like Morgan for a piece of crap like Heidenreich. Matt Morgan is 7' but fast and athletic with it. At the moment he is OVW champion and given time he can develop a solid in ring style. However the WWE dropped Morgan like a bad cold for no reason. First off the didnt give him any real gimmick. Then they had him jobbing week in week out but we were supposed to believe that he was an unstoppable monster. Give Morgan the Heyman gimmick and get rid of Johnny.

Shan-
I dont think a Ladder match would suit JBL. He would have to climb and chances are he would get tired by the time he hit the 6th rung. I'd say Castket match or a Street Fight would be the best option. Of course then we must rely on JBL to give a good performance which is like pulling hens teeth.

[Y2J World Champ]

My vote goes to a Casket Match which would make it easier for both to wrestle because they don't have to climb anything like a ladder or a cage.

[Lover Nuts]

Shan-
I dont think a Ladder match would suit JBL. He would have to climb and chances are he would get tired by the time he hit the 6th rung. I'd say Castket match or a Street Fight would be the best option. Of course then we must rely on JBL to give a good performance which is like pulling hens teeth.

Perhaps you're right. A street fight would suit JBL more, perhaps you could call it a "Wall Street fight" lol.

Seriously though JBL could put on a good performance if tries hard enough.

[Y2J World Champ]

Yeah but Undertaker would be in the match as well and having a match called "Wall Street Match" does sound appropiate for a JBL/Taker Match. Its either going to be a Street Fight (Wall Street Match, lol), a casket match or just a normal one on one match.

[Lover Nuts]

Hey perhaps JBL should change his finisher's name as well or at least get a new finisher.

[Y2J World Champ]

Hey perhaps JBL should change his finisher's name as well or at least get a new finisher.

Well his current finishers are the Clothesline from Hell and the Powerbomb. Also there's nothing wrong with them so he doesn't need to change it. IMO those moves fits him well and there good for him as a finisher.

PS: YAY! This is my 700th Post! :dance2:

[Mac Daddy]

I think maybe he should name it the 'Money Shot'. They could have a bit where he "sues" Val Venis for rights to the name. They could also have a quick comedic segment where someone tries to explain to JBL the true meaning of the new name of the finisher.

[Lover Nuts]

I don't know. Perhaps he should rename his powerbomb the Wall Street Crash and the Clothesline from Hell the Immigrant takedown seeing how he's against Mexicans who travel illegally into the country :confused: .

[Mac Daddy]

I don't know. Perhaps he should rename his powerbomb the Wall Street Crash and the Clothesline from Hell the Immigrant takedown seeing how he's against Mexicans who travel illegally into the country :confused: .


LOL.

I'm renaming JBL's finisher moves in my sim; The Money Shot and The Wall Street Crash. Unless anyone has some betters suggestions?

[Y2J World Champ]

I'm renaming JBL's finisher moves in my sim; The Money Shot and The Wall Street Crash. Unless anyone has some betters suggestions?

LOL

I can't think of any. I believe those two are the best two names for his finishers.

[Mr. Long]

They ought to have JBL do The Million Dollar Dream.

BTW, I get the feeling that if I saw JBL try to do The Money Shot, I would **** myself with laughter.

[Mac Daddy]

They ought to have JBL do The Million Dollar Dream.

BTW, I get the feeling that if I saw JBL try to do The Money Shot, I would **** myself with laughter.


I imagine that would be pretty funny. But he wouldn't be taking the move itself, just the name. So he'd rename the Clothesline from Hell, the Money Shot.

[Y2J World Champ]

So he'd rename the Clothesline from Hell, the Money Shot.

That might not be a good idea because it can confuse some people especially when they see JBL's finishing move called the "Money Shot" they are going to be thinking about the big splash from the top turnbuckle. But I agree it would be better if he did change it but I doubt that will ever happened.