Paul London and Billy Kidman

[Aussie Sucka]

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As you might know, on the SmackDown spoilers, the new tag team champions are none other than Billy Kidman and Paul London. Am I the ONLY one who thinks this is a pretty bad move by the WWE. Why? Let me explain...

When was the last time we have viewed Billy Kidman and Paul London on SmackDown, or as a tag team performing? I don't know exactly, but I am predicting the last time we saw them was three or four months ago, or even more.

Billy Kidman and Paul London have just popped out of no where and won the tag team titles this past week on SmackDown. This isn't a very good move by the WWE. Billy Kidman and Paul London have came out of no where! No establishment as a tag team for a long period of time, no hype, NOTHING! Isn't this basically the EXACT same thing why internet fans have been furious over the controversy of JBL's mainevent push. The Billy Kidman and Paul London situation is no different to the Bradshaw push, except for the fact that JBL was pushed to mainevent.

I'll post more LATER!

[Superman33]

You may see it as not a good move, but I see it otherwise. WWE has been holding London and Kidman back, and they finally realized how much they belong on Smackdown! I also feel that it was a good move giving them an upset victory to win the Tag Team Championships. Since the two of them are cruiserweights and they haven't really gotten there shot, why not give them the tag straps? I feel this is an excellent move by the WWE, and that Kidman and London are a great tag team.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well if you watched Velocity you would have noticed that they have been teaming up with each other for months now. So you had to watch Velocity and if you did watch it you would know that there were an entertaining tag team. And so far your the only person who has complained about this move by the WWE, everyone else have said that they loved kidman and london becoming the new tag team champions.

NEW WWE TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS!


"Thank You"

[Gravity]

One difference between you comparison between London/Kidman and JBL. The tag team can wrestle. JBL can't. Great move WWE. More power to ya!

[badbilly3d]

I didn't know this had happened until just now, but i agree its sort of a dumb move considering they are rarely on SD!, then all of the sudden win the straps. I mean, just because someone watches SD! doesn't mean they are watching Velocity as well. I don't really think it matters though since I had to stop and think for a minute to remember who the champs were. Maybe in the long run this will be the start of something better for the tag division. Something must have happened all of the sudden to change the picture because you would think they would at least give them a week or two for the SD! watchers to see them more. They are fairly entertaining in the ring, but IMO aren't exactly going to make for any kind of storyline.

[Mr. Long]

I think the WWE is finally starting to listen to the fans (probably not though). I love that they are the Tag Team Champions, they are my favorite Smackdown! Tag Team. I love it when the WWE does something out of the blue like this.

[Y2J World Champ]

Maybe this is a start of Smackdown allowing their cruiserweights get more highlighted on Smackdown. The cruiserweight division was one of the two reasons (and nwo) WCW became so popular so Smackdown might be doing the same thing.

"Thank You"

[The Kid]

WOW!!!! Am I ever happy. Thank god that the WWE finally relised the talent of these two superstars and it's about ****ing time. I now love Vince. ( though I have a feeling this might have been a Heyman idea.) It's my opinion that London is probably one of the most talented wrestlers in the WWE and in the whole wrestling world as well. And as Team Extreme said, the main difference between JBL and this is JBL sucks and these two are simply amazing. And the World Title holds more pretiege than the Tag straps. Because of this it seems unlikely one would be able to make the jump so quickly but with the Tag titles it's more believeable that a team could come from nowhere and win the titles.

I wonder where the WWE will go from here with this? Will it just be a one week thing and The Dudleys will win the titles back next week, reminiscent of Jeff Hardy beating Triple H for the IC title and subsequently losing it the next show. I sure hope not as these two deserve a chance to show what they can do on a show besides Velocity. I hope that this is also a sign of a more utilized Cruiserweight division. The talent is there and should be used as I believe they could really be huge.

No matter what happens with this team from now on I only have one thing to say to Vince ( sorry in advance Y2J WC)... "Thank You". Thank you for finally listening to your most loyal fans, whether you like it or not. See once in a while the WWE will do something like this. Benoit will win the title, Guerrero will win the title and now this. Thank You Vince and possibly Heyman.

PS More good news. 300th post, Yay party!!!!. Wow what a post, London a champ and 300 posts all roled into one. You can't beat that.

[The_Wolf]

well if this gives kidman a permanent spot on SD then im all for this move, also i think it was a good move to give them the belts straight away

[Drunkacho]

Interesting... Enjoy it while it lasts because I don't think it'll last long.

Dudleyz get a rematch, back to Velocity you guys go. I'm probably being a little too negative, but that's the feeling I've got.

[Lover Nuts]

I don't really know what to think about this.

I mean I watched Velocity last Sunday (UK) and I saw the Dudleys vs London and Kidman. It was a very good match. I then realised how under-rated London and Kidman are and that they deserved to be on SmackDown more. So hearing this news, I'm glad London and Kidman are champs in some way. Unlike JBL, they can actually wrestle.

But the bad thing about this is that the Dudleys now look weak as they hadn't had a long tag team title run. I would expecting that on the next SmackDown that Dudleys win back the titles.

[Madhatter1]

To me it's like the writers of Smackdown are throwing **** on the wall and trying to see what sticks with these tag-titles. They tried Haas and Rico, it didn't work, the Dudley's would have but they've been tag-team champ fifty times and it's now stale, maybe with London and Kidman, the writers won't screw this up and give them time.

[Superman33]

Why the Dudley's were the champs in the first place is beyond me. They were in a progrom with the Undertaker, so why give them the belts?

[Lover Nuts]

Why the Dudley's were the champs in the first place is beyond me. They were in a progrom with the Undertaker, so why give them the belts?

Probably to give the tag team belts more credibility after Hass and Rico had them.

[Mr. Long]

Also to make Heyman seem more powerful by having the Tag Team Champions in his stable.

[Cripplerlock]

I was glad I didn't read this thread before I saw Smackdown because seeing Kidman and London win the belts was a pleasant surprise. However, it seems not to be one without controversary. Although the fued started on Velocity, the fact is alot more people watch Smackdown than Velocity. From a lot of fans viewpoints London and Kidman came out of nowhere to beat an established team. Depending on who you are it was a good or bad surprise. Now let me comment on the match itself and this may or may not make sense. Call intuition if you want, but is it me or did the Dudleys not look that impresive in the match? It did not seem like a climatic ending. It almost seemed obvious at the final moments that Billy and London were suppose to win. Fast foward to Paul Heyman's "beg for mercy" speech (oh the humiliation) where he tries to put all the blame on the Dudleys. I was a little surprised they did not come out. You have to wonder what are the Smackdown writers thinking here. Heyman seemed to be on the verge of having a powerful stable on Smackdown with the Dudleys and Undertaker. Yes having the Dudleys as tag champions would have given the stable more credibility. However, that whole idea seems to have gone up in smoke. I am just not sure where the writers are going with this. Nevertheless it was nice to see London at least get one title while he is here.

[The Great One]

I am happy that they have now gotten a push that they deserve. Paul London and Billy Kidman are the most underused Cruiserweights. People who don't watch Velocity won't have seen them teaming up over the last few months, and wouldn't of known that Dudleys started the feud with London and Kidman on there. They started teaming up a few months ago and wrestled one match on Smackdown before they were dropped. I am glad that they are the champs, but this makes the Dudleys look weak which isn't a good thing. I just hope the run as champs doesn't end in a week or 2, maybes at a PPV would be better which would give the team more credability.

[Mr. Long]

I hope they keep those damn belts forever. I hope that it's an equal tag team, and that Paul London doesn't just become the other guy. Maybe their title win will increase their chances of being put in SD! vs. RAW.

[Mac Daddy]

I feel the same way about Billy Kidman and Paul London as I did about Rico and Charlie Haas’ big win … it stinks. Now that’s not to say that Kidman and London aren't two amazing athletes, because they are. I think they have great potential in the Cruiserweight and Tag Team divisions. But giving them the titles right off the bat was wrong, and I don’t think anyone should come in and win a title, right off the bat. Even Justin Layfield and Eddie Guerrero’s program lasted one or two months before JBL finally won the belt.


I think they could have started them off as credible tag title contenders, by giving them a non-title victory over the Dudley Boyz, not the titles. Say what you want about Bubba and D-Von, they are stable champions and they aren’t as stale as heels. The WWE should have kept the titles on Bubba and D-Von until they built the division up with the Basham Brothers, Hardcore Holly/Billy Gunn, Rikishi/Scotty 2 Hotty, the FBI, and Rico/Charlie Haas (when Rico returned, so they could have continued to team for a while and then break up the right way). But instead, Kidman and London have won the titles and I hate to be pessimistic, but I don’t see their winning the titles doing anything for the division as far building it up again. Because right now its in a sad state no matter who the champions are.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well Gail Kim did it. Remember when she debut on Raw, she won the Womens title right off the bat and no one complained.

This is kinda weird, some of you may agree but for months we have been complaining that Kidman/London deserve to be champs and that they deserve to be on smackdown and then when they finally become tag team champions and finally get a chance to be on smackdown more often we find a way around to complain about that to. Pretty much anything the WWE does to make us happy we find ways to complain about it. Anyway I just wonder what will the WWE do with the Dudleyz?

[Mac Daddy]

Well Gail Kim did it. Remember when she debut on Raw, she won the Womens title right off the bat and no one complained.

This is kinda weird, some of you may agree but for months we have been complaining that Kidman/London deserve to be champs and that they deserve to be on smackdown and then when they finally become tag team champions and finally get a chance to be on smackdown more often we find a way around to complain about that to. Pretty much anything the WWE does to make us happy we find ways to complain about it. Anyway I just wonder what will the WWE do with the Dudleyz?


Yeah, I remember Gail Kim winning the title. But I probably didn't care enough to complain. But thinking about it now, I feel the same way as I do about Kidman/London's win. And who could dispute that Gail Kim's win did absolutely nothing for the women's division?


I for one have never been crying about their winning the Tag Team titles, and I know thats not what you meant. I've always wanted to see Kidman, turned heel, and Paul London just taking up the Spanky gimmick, and seeing both of them wrestle in the cruiser division. They're not needed in tag division if the WWE really cared about the division.


As far as the Dudleyz, the WWE is clueless. And I would be too, but lets not forget they're the professionals. The Dudleys went from jobbing to the, IN THE MAIN-EVENT, at a pay-per-view, to starting up a feud with their brother Spike in a span of two weeks. Tell me that ain't clueless.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well what I'm talking about is in general, every time something we want happens, other people find ways to complain about it. For example the HHH vs HBK match at bad blood in a hell in a cell match. I personally always wanted to see it with some other people as well but then a few people began to complain that there have been too many hell in a cell matches and that it was too early to have that match again. Also, I seriously doubt Kidman will ever be a heel, he just doesn't have that personality to be a heel.

As for the Dudleyz, well, the WWE are just throwing the dudleyz around here and there trying to find something the fans would enjoy and so far it hasn't been working too well.

[Mac Daddy]

Well what I'm talking about is in general, every time something we want happens, other people find ways to complain about it. For example the HHH vs HBK match at bad blood in a hell in a cell match. I personally always wanted to see it with some other people as well but then a few people began to complain that there have been too many hell in a cell matches and that it was too early to have that match again. Also, I seriously doubt Kidman will ever be a heel, he just doesn't have that personality to be a heel.

As for the Dudleyz, well, the WWE are just throwing the dudleyz around here and there trying to find something the fans would enjoy and so far it hasn't been working too well.



Well, Y2J, you've touched something sacred now.


Yes, often times us fans beg and cry for something and then complain when we get it. But its because of how it happens. Now I criticized the WWE's lack of ideas when they started up the "final" HHH/HBK feud, and when I heard the rumor I guessed it would be a HIAC. I didn't complain about the fact that HIAC was being used too much, or it was too early to have another of those matches. I felt it was too early for another Triple H/Shawn Michaels feud.


As far as Billy Kidman turning heel, he could probably pull it off, but if the WWE doesn't have faith in Benoit as World champ, they definitely wouldn't have faith in Kidman turning heel. Its not that hard to pick up heel heat. Look at the Coach. This guy gets amazing heel heat. When he's mentioned, no matter what arena you're in, Coach is booed ... and he's just an announcer who two years was being humiliated backstage by The Rock. And speaking of Rocky, he became a heel by just being incredibly joyous and sucky. It might kill him trying, but Billy Kidman can pull off a heel persona. Just give him the works.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well has Billy Kidman ever been a heel? I have been watching Kidman since WCW and ever since then I have never seen Kidman as a heel. But also you have to remember the rock has the mic skills and he went after (arguably) the fans ultimate favorite baby face Stone Cold Steve Austin. Kidman is a different story, what will it take for Kidman to turn heel? There's so little possibilities for him to turn heel, especially on the smackdown show.

[Mac Daddy]

Well has Billy Kidman ever been a heel? I have been watching Kidman since WCW and ever since then I have never seen Kidman as a heel. But also you have to remember the rock has the mic skills and he went after (arguably) the fans ultimate favorite baby face Stone Cold Steve Austin. Kidman is a different story, what will it take for Kidman to turn heel? There's so little possibilities for him to turn heel, especially on the smackdown show.


I did it in my season scripts last year.


Rey Mysterio, for instance in the Steve Austin of the cruiserweight division. An alternative to giving Kidman and London the Tag titles would have been turning Billy Kidman and sending him after Rey Mysterio. Billy Kidman sucks as a babyface, but thats not reason for me to believe that he can't pull of a heel turn. You say yourself, you've never him work as a heel, so how you be so sure that he couldn't do it?


And I still use Coach as an example. He sucked on and was really boring on the stick as a babyface announcer, but when he turned heel and started hanging around Eric Bischoff ... boom, he's gold. And you never even suspected that Coach would be doing what he's doing now two years ago.

[The Great One]

Well has Billy Kidman ever been a heel? I have been watching Kidman since WCW and ever since then I have never seen Kidman as a heel. But also you have to remember the rock has the mic skills and he went after (arguably) the fans ultimate favorite baby face Stone Cold Steve Austin. Kidman is a different story, what will it take for Kidman to turn heel? There's so little possibilities for him to turn heel, especially on the smackdown show.

The way i would try to turn him is heel is, when in a title defence have Kidman turn on London and cost them the titles, and have Kidman lay out London after the match. London stays of Smackdown next week to sell the injuries and have Kidman cut a promo on it to build it up, and to give the reason to why he turned his back.

[Y2J World Champ]

Well a good excuse for Kidman to attack Paul London is if Kidman says that London stole his move (shooting star press) and this could lead to a feud between Kidman/London. This is pretty much the only real good way to turn Kidman into a heel. But I doubt Kidman would attack london with them being the tag champs, I think that maybe if they lost the tag titles, next would Kidman could come out and say it was London's fault and the WWE can continue on from there.

[Mac Daddy]

I beg to differ. That probably wouldn't be an effective way at all. Paul London and Billy Kidman got some pops last week when they won, but I bet there's where it ends. To get someone like Billy Kidman, who hasn't had a considerable amount of airtime on one of the main shows since 2002, over as a heel is for them to have him go against an established babyface. And as talented as he is, Paul London is not an established face and for Kidman to attack him because he used his finisher ... it would the understatement of the century to say that would generate very little interest among casual fans. Very little.

[Y2J World Champ]

Thats very true that is why I think Kidman and London will be a tag team for a very long time and I'll be happy if they stayed a tag team for a long time because they are a very entertaining tag team. I wonder if Kidman/London will be at Velocity?

[Madhatter1]

Kidman in 2000 was a heel working with Eric Bischoff in the New Blood in the WCW storyline New Blood versus Millionaries Club and he had no heat feuding with Hulk Hogan. I've given up on Kidman turning heel after his return on a episode of SmackDown where he cut a heelish promo in the audience talking about the crusierweight title hunt and returning in the ring as a face.

And if anyone compares the current reign of the new tag-team champs to the first title reign of Gail Kim's they need help. These two guys are great wrestlers first off with various moves in their repetiore unlike the three-move bimbo and the new champs can probably pull great matches with anyone in the Tag Division (lack of a better term).

[Weaf]

London is talened but it doesn't hide the fact that he looks like a tool, don't even get me started on Kidman. I don't care what the hell London can do, he needs to learn how to throw a decent punch, he looks like a cripple when he tries to clobber someone.

[Cody Longpre]

Like I said over at WI, this is one of the smartest things the WWE has done with Smackdown!. I mean, they are gonna finally build a character, rather than having to use older ones. Kidman is already a known talent, but London is not. This win will at least get him on the map. I think this will be a long title reign because they are looking to take London to new heights. He is one of the most talented Cruiserweights on Smackdown!. Wait, **** that, he is the most talented on Smackdown!. **** Mysterio, he has lost what he once had. Anyone who thinks this title reign is bad is ****ing dumb. Wrestling is about making new characters. They did it with Austin, HHH, HBK, The Rock etc.

Good move WWE!

[Mac Daddy]

And if anyone compares the current reign of the new tag-team champs to the first title reign of Gail Kim's they need help. These two guys are great wrestlers first off with various moves in their repetiore unlike the three-move bimbo and the new champs can probably pull great matches with anyone in the Tag Division (lack of a better term).


If that's the case, then I'm booking an appointment with a psychotherapist ASAP.


There is a worthy comparison between Gail Kim and Paul London/Kidman's title wins. Though I have to admit that Kim's title win made more sense than Kidman and London's win. Gail Kim's debut had be hyped for weeks, while Kidman and London were completely off the Smackdown radar, and only had some wins on Velocity (I don't think my sarcasm is even needed. That in itself wraps up the case).


If that post was directed at me, I would suggest that you go back and read my position thoroughly. I never once doubted Billy Kidman and Paul London's wrestling abilities, but coming in, winning the titles with no building, not to mention they will generate very little energy in the fan base, is enough reason for me to believe that Kidman and London's title win had bad timing written all over it.

[Madhatter1]

LOL, then I must apologize if it sounded like I questioned your opinon because you are right, Kim's reign seemed like the right thing at the time and it defeats the logic of giving the tag-team titles to Kidman and London now.

Mac, I agree with the lack of build with Kidman and London and how they came out of nowhere to win the tag-titles from an established team in the Dudley's but I still to this day don't see why on her first night on television she won the WWE Women's Title. The hype to me only justified a huge win against a former women's champion.

[Mac Daddy]

Mac, I agree with the lack of build with Kidman and London and how they came out of nowhere to win the tag-titles from an established team in the Dudley's but I still to this day don't see why on her first night on television she won the WWE Women's Title. The hype to me only justified a huge win against a former women's champion.


No, I don't think Gail Kim should have won the title. I just think there was more logic to that than Kidman/London winning the titles so quickly.


If you remember, prior to the battle royal where Kim made her debut, Ivory had pinned Jazz, the current champion, three consecutive times. What did this get her? She was eliminated first in the battle royal. I think Ivory should have won the strap that night and had a short and nice run with the belt, but yet and still, Gail Kim's title win had more logic than the case we're discussing with Kidman/London, whether I agree with the move or not.

[savage-monkey44]

I'm happy with the win. because London's debut was used to put Brock over. then we never see him on SD ever. then london and Kidman form a tag team and work velocity for a month or two. These guys are awsome talents. then one night on velocity they go against the dudley's ( I don't know who won) after the match the dudley's whooop them Bubba even pulled outa belt. then a week or something later. the two hardworking talented wrestlers come to SD for once. then put on a good match and take the straps of the stale 19 time champions.