A Message For Everyone

[Scorch]

Dear WPW,

This is a reminder for all involved in the fed. This place is a reflection of your work. That includes, myself, the rest of the staff, the readers, and the roleplayers, it includes all of you.

Recently a select but vocal few have expressed their displeasure with the fed. I understand a card went up later than is prefered. However, the implication that the fed has long been failing, is not a direction reflection of the efforts of the staff.

You have the same people doing the same work as you did a few months ago, weeks ago, and so on.

For those of you that believe you should expect cards up earlier, you are right. We also expect you to take the time to actually read and review the shows. This goes beyond whining because your character lost, complaining because you did not get things done exactly as you expected or desired or generic empty praise that can fit any match. If you feel you are not getting treated fairly, or that you are not getting what you earned or where told you would have, by all means do speak up and let us know. There is a difference however between wanting your guy to be an unstoppable badass, and wanting what you earned to be given to you. In other words if you say "hey, I won a number one contender's match for the Florida State Title, why is this other guy getting a title match before me?" That is a valid point to bring up. However "hey, my guy never cut a backstage promo beating up Ethan, that would have been so cool" or "my guy should be so much tougher than you make him seem", are not valid points, unless you were told they would be happening. The less effort you put forth, the less you get back.

If a show is not up, there is nothing stopping you from posting a promo. Literally, nothing stops you. The rps do not all have to be about bashing your opponent for the week. You can do what is referred to as a 'character development' promo. These are typically the most interesting in any fed. This place has lacked them for a long time.

It is one of many reasons why I am pushing to stop having this fed operating as a strictly promo based place. Now we have been doing something like it for a while now without copping to it. Other reasons are due to us having firmly established who fits where, and something that few will want to admit. We do not have the resources to properly execute a promo based fed.

By eliminating that as the sole aspect for directing the fed, it will got back on negativity. It should keep egos better in check as well. It also allows for more compelling stories to be done.

If you are here to be a part of something fun and to contribute in a positive manner, we welcome you. If however you are here looking to cause trouble, to be disruptive, or just downright negative, stop wasting everyone's time. You can be critical, you do not have to like everything, but unless your end goal is to make things better, you will not be taken seriously and we do not need you around.

This fed can be something great, if everyone wants to put forth the efforts to make it happen.

I cannot emphasize this enough, the more you put into WPW, the more you will get out of WPW. If you do the bare minimum, that is what you will get back. If you are constantly negative, your experience will be negative.

My goal is to make the fed as fun as possible for as many people as possible. However, this is not something meant to be done by one person. It requires everyone from rpers to the top levels of any staff to work towards the same goal.

I know how much fun a fed can be, and there is no reason beyond negative attitudes currently plaguing some peopel around here, that this place cannot be one of the most enjoyable around.

Thank you,
Scorch.

P.S. I will address any questions you may have about what is going on. Understand that the fed has not changed formats yet, it is something I am pushing for, but at this point do not have full authority to do so. I fully believe it is the right way for us to go.

Changes will be coming to WPW, all designed to make this place better, for as many people as possible, and that hopefully will include some new faces and maybe even some old ones as well.

[APostingGod]

So what exactly is your format change? I'd and everyone else like to know. Maybe it would help you get your decision going. Because what I get from it, is that you want a storyline based fed, where the final decision on a "feud" rather than a match is decided on the better RPer. You have to realize the problems with running a storyline based fed NOW. First of all, every title victory, big match win, ect. will be tainted and less a honor than the 3 years previous. You can say it wont be, but we all know that everyone sees the difference from winning a title by a rp battle, and winning it by feud. Second, are you sure the people picking the storylines and such are unbiased? That was a big issue with the previous fed. While running the fed, I noticed that other than Snowy on occasion, no one had suggestions about anyone about themselves. Maybe that was because I ran it a certain way, but with that staff, I couldn't see a proper/fair storyline fed.

You want to make people enjoy WPW? as a staff, read the rps and advance them as so. Currently, I think WPW is running fine on structure. In the last year, 5-6 people have advanced up the card, 3-4 went down the card, and everyone else stayed about the same. That seems about right. You don't need a storyline based fed to build stories, that's just kind of lazy in my opinion. You build a storyline with options, and change them due to circumstances. It's not that hard. While I think storyline works in some places, it will not/ and should not in a fed that's been roleplay based for three years.

Also, if you can't take negative comments, than you are in the wrong position. Trust me, I know. You will get it when deserved, and sometimes when it's not, deal with it, and expect it. You yourself, before taking a bigger role, were quite negative comments. I'm not calling you a hypocrite but expressing that everyone has a opinion, and some will be negative. You have to deal with that by defending your decisions and/or making the correct changes.

Finally, is a change really necessary? Just because someone else is running the show, doesn't mean you have to change everything if it ain't broken. Don't overhaul a entire fed simply cause you want to. Only do it when it's necessary, if anything WPW has gotten better since Redemption, and has slowly made strides in that direction. All I changed was the show length, and added dark matches. Changing to storyline based will not add members or writers, it will simply lead to more needless bitching and confusion. So I ask, why do you want to change? and how do you really think it's going to help WPW? Because all I think you need to do is get more RPers and more staff writers, not switching formats and changing all storylines in the haste of someone new getting to control booking. People are upset about the last two shows being poorer than usual, fix that before trying to change the system.

Baby steps, not useless leaps.

Just my constructive opinion, so no whining.

[Mr. Hendrickson]

I know i've been vocal about the operation of the WPW for sometime now. I have been because I am passionate about this fed and the way things work. Hell I know what a lot of you are going through because I've been there. I've been in every position an E-Fed has so I know.

As a lack of reading shows and so forth go you can't harp on that at all. Come on like you've said before people have lives. To be honest like others have stated people read their match and thats about it. Some of us read the whole show but to be honest we don't want to say anything about the show. That is our right as rpers.

Secondly the lack of show production is a slap in our face as roleplayers. I know sometimes things get bunched up and people leave and we don't know where they went. But step up, take your tampon out and grow a pair already! Seriously take over if someone doesn't show delegate the match do a dark match SOMETHING! Late shows make people not care. LATE cards make people pissed off like me and others this week. You caused a lack of rps and a lack of care for this show. Wait and see. We need you to step up and get shows and cards out on time. Even if that means placing the next card within the show causing people to read. Thats worked for me in the past.

Thirdly changing a WORKING system is not good. Like APG said it would smear all of our wins for OUR hard work. We worked to get where we belong and we know people have their favorites and promote them and make them have all the reigns. You understand what that does to people like myself, dreamer, gunnar and so on? We can't hold championships when those ike KJ, Stallion and others have the fan base we don't. Ryan did a perfect job! A PERFECT JOB promoting the talent here. We are were we are because of him. Not because of the entire team but him. He believed in us when others didn't. No whining here just simple facts.

I've ran storyline based and rp based feds. RP based is what I love infused with a story. But the RP can change the story. Working out a story for months can make this fed tank. Seriously it will make us leave.

So you scared of Negavite comments? Because thats what this is all about. You guys are scared of people speaking their mind about whats going on. Take it like a man. I know now i'll lose my championship to Paley or whomever because I am taking a stand for those who don't want to man up. But I don't care honestly take it. I know I EARNED it and you can't take that away from me now or ever. Understand that?

I am going to tell you what I think about the shows, I am going to critique them because I can. Thats my right here as a member. I would expect that from anyone in MY FED. I would expect them to tell me whats wrong and what needs to be fixed. Its what happens when we are int he position that we are in. We need that to grow and prosper. Sometimes yes it gets out of hand but you know what we can deal with it level headed.

So with me saying that I am here til WPW starts to go down the shitter because people are misusing their position. Like Ryan said maybe its time to move on. Maybe not we will see.

[DjM]

Hendy, you really are one of the dumbest people I have ever met in my entire life!

Seriously. Do you really believe that as a member of this fed you have more right than a staff member here? Why the hell should the staff care about putting in the effort if no one is going to read the show? Are you on something? Is there something wrong with you? You're right, you have the right not to read the shows, but if thats how you're going to go about it, you have absolutely NO right to complain about the product.

I think you need to learn theres a very big difference between speaking your mind, and having no fucking respect for the people on the staff. Which you clearly don't. You come here, you RP, thats it. You don't make an effort to improve the product, you don't offer constructive criticism, you just complain, you bitch, you swear, you moan, like a big girl. And it's not impressive, it's certainly not helpful. You're not speaking your mind, Hendy, You're being a disrespectful jerkoff.

We're not afraid of negative comments. As long as people realise that the staff do a lot of work here, and their comments are put in here to try and help the fed improve again. Why would we be afraid of that? That's why we're here. That's why we're on the staff.

I really do think that you need to seriously begin thinking about what you're going to say before you say it, instead of sitting down at your computer, high as a kite, and begin typing a load of retarded garbage.

Oh and finally. You really think theres not a single person in this fed who can take that title away from you based on RP's? If we really wanted to Hendy, we'd book you in a match we knew you couldn't win. We don't have a problem with your character, just with you being an asshole. So either learn some respect, and make an actual attempt to help the fed.

Or just shut the fuck up already because I'm sick of your shit.

[APostingGod]

There is a entire thread for ranting kiddies, I more want to take about WPW and this storyline idea.

[Scorch]

I understand people may have frustrations and passionate feelings about things. Dan, Hendrickson, please do your best to stay civil in this thread. If you need to have it out in a Rant, you know where the No Holds Barred section is located.

Ryan, thank you for expressing your thoughts on the situation in a constructive manner. When I have more time I will go into greater details on why I believe the transition is needed and will improve the overall experience in WPW.

[Mr. Hendrickson]

First thing first I read the shows, i reply to the shows. I state what is on my mind. Me being high as a kite is utter bull shit. Hell maybe I have my best ideas when I am high and not rant on about this shit. If I didn't care about this place why in the hell would I stick around?

I am not wanting to fight I am stating my disgust with the product as of late. I've seen some epic shows put forth in this fed. Then it goes down to what it has been. I am sorry but if you put on an epic rp battle only get a one line dark match wouldn't you feel like shit? Slapped in the face? Not worth the time? I think so.

Secondly yeah I am sure you can put me in a match that I can't win against someone else. Hell I've rped with the best here. and i've stood my ground. I've lost never complained about them loses now have I? NO! You know why because they are just loses. But when you lose to someone else who post utter crap fro roleplays and you post what you consider your best and lose then yes you have a right to be mad. Which I have been in the past.

I don't know what the hell your problem is Dan, you've said shit about this fed in the past but now since you're in the know you tihnk you the shit. Good job winning the championship really I've pulled for you since the beginning and you know that. So before you start shoving shit in your friends face think first. You have taken this personally which it was not meant to be.

[One Stratusfied Customer]

I know now i'll lose my championship to Paley or whomever because I am taking a stand for those who don't want to man up. But I don't care honestly take it. I know I EARNED it and you can't take that away from me now or ever. Understand that?

You wanna talk about tainting hard work then you should re-read that quote and see how that could a) Taint the victory of who ever does beat you for the title b) Sound like a ready made excuse for when you lose.

Just sayin'

People like to quote the old "if it ain't broke" line, but who says something has to be completely broken down and fucked to be fixed? Why not fix something when it's starting to show signs of breaking?

I don't think anyone would support a fully storyline based fed BUT it's not a bad idea to occasionally give a win for something other than an RP. Really, how interesting is a feud when one person constantly wins? Despite the fact that it means the person winning is a better RPer, why should the reader of this one-sided story care?

I would say though that if you went to having some story based wins etc. that you impose a rule on let's say PPVs &/or title matches that they are always 100% RP based.

But anyway, I'm not even in this fed anymore so who cares about my opinion :D

[APostingGod]

You were in this fed?

;)

I'm all for storyline based matches in the same vein as Judge/SiNN, where it's worked out, but a Storyline fed is not what WPW should be in my opinion. And personally I see no real cracks in a roleplay based fed, WPW's holes lie else where.

[Mr. Hendrickson]

I was saying it would be tainted if it was based on a storyline and not on the basis of rps. If I lose oh well I've said that before. I know I won because I was the better rper or so I think. But with that said the only excuse I would have is I was out did thats it

[Scorch]

A few updates on things for everyone, as well as clarifications.

Nobody is being forced to love everything about the fed. The issue is not with negative comments, but with anybody with a desire to maintain an overall negative attitude. If there are realistic changes that can be made to cause the fed to be more enjoyable to a person or group, we will look into doing so. However if somebody simply is going to try to cause trouble because they enjoy creating drama, this fed has enough to deal with, that we do not need that type of behavior. There are plenty of ways to help the fed, and if a person is not interested in doing any of them, we cannot afford to have them drag things down.

As for the more story based aspects of things. There are a number of reasons why I feel this will benefit everyone. For example, winning a match is not the only way to be rewarded. You can be rewarded with a segment, with how you are talked up in commentary, perhaps a reversal, a series of offense, some "mic" time could be it. Other times it might be a more prominent role in a story arc running at the time.

Under the system I would like to implement, one which will not go through just because I think it will help the fed, more people would be able to have more consistant and prominent roles on each show. It would be a goal to keep things reflective of the way things were going rp wise for the most part. We also would not work to have a fed designed simply to make staff and friends look good.

I know the many dangers that must be balanced to make this work. PCW's problem was that the stories and rps were so drastically seperated, and it became near impossible to move up. I was in another fed were things were too planned out far in advance and when they went stale, instead of adjusting it pressed on till enough people lost interest. These are things we would work to combat.

Also I plan to make things a bit more fast paced. This means making title matches a bit more common. One down side is that yes you might see the occasional title bout with little build, but there would still be larger build for the bigger title bouts. Also you would not see a title match for no reason, just some might be more obvious than others. This is a great way to reward people for hard work, even if they were looking at some hard luck along the way.

The current system appears to have run its course, and as OSC has pointed out, it does cause problems with keeping talent around. This new system is designed to encourage more people to work hard and stick things out. The more rewards you have to offer people, the more likely they are to enjoy things and stick around. Our current system does more to discourage people than I would like to see.

Title matches and feud ending bouts would still for the most part be rp based. If a participant or participants were okay with more scripted scenarios, we would allow it to occur that way. Nobody would be forced to adhere to different rules resulting in automatic losses for them.

So once more this remains open to be discussed and if any changes are decided upon, they will be announced to you all before they are implemented.

On another note, I am not in charge of WPW right now. This is something I am bringing up to everyone, the staff and the rpers, to keep things out in the open right now. Other staff members still have the power to book shows, post shows and make decisions. Even you as the rpers, can have a say in things. If you have an idea, PM one of us, post it in a thread, or IM one of us and we will be happy to discuss your idea and see if it can be used, or perhaps saved for a more appropriate time.

[Snowman]

No offence, Hendy, but Paley could beat you and I wouldn't be overly suprised if he did so at the PPV. And I say that as a TJ mark. If you lose, you'll lose because of the RP battle. Not because of anything else.

And I'm actually quite disgusted that you honestly think the staff are petty enough to take the title from you because you are "making a stand". Try and remember the staff keep asking for your opinions here, Che, and believe it or not they are listening to you. You won't be punished for speaking out against them, and to think that you would be angers me a lot.

I thought you were smarter than that.

As for the fed change? I'm 100% against any match decision being intentionally anything but RP based. I'm all for the fed being more storyline based, but I have a real distaste for matches results being pre-planned. I'm well aware that sometimes a subconscious bias could come in to play, but there's no helping that. There is helping pre-determined results.

More storylined fed? Great. One thing I disliked about being part of WPW was that I never had a single storyline. The closest thing I had to a storyline was the Redemption Triple Threat, which I screwed up by my laptop breaking, but apart from that I didn't have a single storyline to my name. Or a fued. I've never fueded with anyone. Ever. So I'm all for storylines to help out the fed and its members, but I warn against pre-determined match results.