Great American Bash Discussion

[Qwaar-Jet]

Well, it's over.And I don't mean the PPV, I mean Eddie Guerrero's Title run.I am honestly in complete shock.Vinnie Mac has truly lost it, and the WWE Title is now worthless.

I'm going to bed now, but rest assured, there is more to moan about.

Discuss.

[Unknown]

Honestly I don't know what they were thinking giving JBL the belt. You can count the matches on one hand that he won since becoming a single's wrestler. The character is good and with the right push would have been more beneficial to SD but I didn't think they would go that far. I guess they did the complete opposite and awarded him for all of the bad press he got the company. The Intercontinental Title is more important than this belt is now (very good for the IC title but horrible for the WWE Championship and SD). Eddie Guerrero's title run will go down as a joke alongside Jericho's run with the Undisputed Championship. Both not getting a chance to go over on a PPV cleanly to give their run some credibility. That's the reason Jericho can't seem to keep a main event slot and sadly the same might happen to Eddie. My question is who the hell is Bradshaw going to feud with? Taker is heel now which I thought would have setup Eddie/Taker at SS (even if they have Eddie win the belt back before SS it will not do anything for the belt at all). I guess they're either going to continue JBL/Eddie until Wrestlemania 30 or they're going to have him feud with some midcarder. Only if they would have pushed Booker properly. This title change would atleast benefit SD. People may disagree with me but this is as bad as Chavo Classic winning the cruiserweight championship but only it's ten times worse because it's the WWE title. JBL can carry a main event slot but it was way way too early to even consider giving him the belt with the state SD is already in.

[Roland]

Honestly I don't know what they were thinking giving JBL the belt. You can count the matches on one hand that he won since becoming a single's wrestler. The character is good and with the right push would have been more beneficial to SD but I didn't think they would go that far. I guess they did the complete opposite and awarded him for all of the bad press he got the company. The Intercontinental Title is more important than this belt is now (very good for the IC title but horrible for the WWE Championship and SD). Eddie Guerrero's title run will go down as a joke alongside Jericho's run with the Undisputed Championship. Both not getting a chance to go over on a PPV cleanly to give their run some credibility. That's the reason Jericho can't seem to keep a main event slot and sadly the same might happen to Eddie. My question is who the hell is Bradshaw going to feud with? Taker is heel now which I thought would have setup Eddie/Taker at SS (even if they have Eddie win the belt back before SS it will not do anything for the belt at all). I guess they're either going to continue JBL/Eddie until Wrestlemania 30 or they're going to have him feud with some midcarder. Only if they would have pushed Booker properly. This title change would atleast benefit SD. People may disagree with me but this is as bad as Chavo Classic winning the cruiserweight championship but only it's ten times worse because it's the WWE title. JBL can carry a main event slot but it was way way too early to even consider giving him the belt with the state SD is already in.

Man I Have to Agree with everything you said including the last part. I mean this is suppose to be one of the main event belts where legends are suppose to be the champs. Now its in the hands of a former Jobber for life. Big mistake by WWE, there best bet is to burn the belt or make it to a hardcore belt, JBL is not a champ type.

[Sunshine]

lol...now whos he gonna feud with? I hope its not Eddie. Hes a great wrestler but sick of him being in the that division. Now that Takers a heel, Bookers a heel, Cena already has US belt.

My candidates are Haas or RVD or Mark Jindrak

[Roland]

Cena can always have 2 belts, can't he???

[Superman33]

Cena can always have 2 belts, can't he???Yes, but it's highly unlikely that they will go that route. However, I would not be opposed to it.

As for Bradshaw, him being the Champion makes me crindge. This is down there with Vinny Mac, Russo, and David Arquette.

[Y2J World Champ]

Alright the WWE wanted to stick it to all the internet fans and well they did a dam good job. John "Bradshaw" Layfield, the WWE Champion, well as many of you have said, he has a great character and can participate in main events but it was just too early for him to win this belt. But now, heading to Summerslam (about 2 months away), who is he going to feud with? Now here are my opinions on what could happen. 2 Weeks from now, Eddie Guerrero can get a re-match against JBL and win back the WWE Title, Eddie would later go on to feud with the Undertaker at Summerslam.

But lets say JBL was the WWE Champion heading to Summerslam. Well the only way it could work is if John Cena faced him, because just think about it, JBL is against everything that ruins American, from immigrants to ignorant people. And JBL can say that John Cena has poisened the minds of every young teenager out there and that is why they are committing crimes, using drugs, and having sex with different partners. And if done right this feud between JBL/Cena can go on to Summerslam. John Cena can come out and say that its not him and his lyrics that is poisining teenagers, its the politics, which would be JBL. Both these men can go on to feud against each other heading to summerslam and at Summerslam, this is what I think will happen.

WWE Championship & United States Championship
John "Bradshaw" Layfield (c) vs John Cena (c)

These two men can face each other at Summerslam with both titles on the line. Seeing that JBL is all about the United States why not say that Cena isn't worthy enough to represent the United States. Because this is pretty much the best way the WWE can go right now. And it can create some interesting storylines just because Cena is the complete opposite of JBL. So what do you all think about my idea? To me it sounds good, and can be a worth watching Pay per view.

"Thank You"

[Sunshine]

you know something that made me think? They should make it a match for 2 falls. The first winner, gets the US title. Then the second winner gets the WWE title. If you win both in a row, you get them both. And then JBL and Cena can do a freakin title switch!! That would be perfect! JBL having the US title which what he should have, then Cena having the WWE title. Everyone would love that

[Chazz]

Man, I sure am glad that I didn't watch this ppv last night, because I know that I would have been sickened. I am not a JBL hater. I actually like the character. But his push was too fast, too soon. I will give Vince credit though. He stood by JBL and went through with this. We are just gonna have to see how this all plays out, because now JBL is the WWE Champion. However, I have a feeling that he won't be for long.

[Lover Nuts]

I don't know what to think. What I mean is that they coulden't have JBL not win the title, he's Vinny's big boy. Besides this adds to the heat he will be getting, everyone will either tune in to see him lose or everyone will tune in this Thursday to see if the title will stripped from him.

IMO I would rather have JBL win the title than a wrestler who doesn't even job even though he should *cough*Undertaker*cough*

[Superman33]

Enough with the "Taker doesn't job" crap.

[Lover Nuts]

Enough with the "Taker doesn't job" crap.

Sorry dude, I like Taker, but Cena and the Dudleys should of won their matchs against Taker. Say what you want about HHH, at least he jobs and makes his opponent look good.

[Unknown]

Enough with the "Taker doesn't job" crap.When is the last time he jobbed let alone cleanly? Taker has jobbed only a few times within the past few years and only one of them being cleanly (Brock Lesnar at No Mercy but it's a freakin' hell in a cell so he'll be able to save face jobbing there). We say it because it's true. Taker was once my favorite wrestler but his selfishness and the way he is being booked doesn't help the SD brand. Put it like this, if he would have jobbed to Booker T he would probably be WWE Champ instead of JBL. He didn't even put Cena over when he should have at Vengeance. He jobs but it has to always be with someone interfering so that he'll look invincible. Just look at his WM winning streak. He has to be undefeated on the biggest stage of them all for what exactly? When he retires he should lose at WM so that someone will look like a force for being able to beat him at WM (Kane should have been the one to end that win streak but he got squashed). Taker right now as I posted in the GAB Results thread is the cancer of SD. When he is done going through the rest of the roster who the hell will have any type of credibility? Shan is right about Taker. I was hoping for him to be more like HHH especially in a time where SD is pressed for talent. It's time for him to actually put people over. It would benefit SD and its superstars a lot more than him being pushed as his outdated invincible gimmick.

[Lover Nuts]

Exactly Unknown. Coulden't of said it better myself.

I mean in Taker's matches he could still easily make his opponents looks good, he could do it so both men won't lose credibility. That's what HHH and HBK are good at. Right now Taker is truly buring the SmackDown roster.

[adamjday]

OK, I just finished watching the show, and was quite disappointed with everything apart from one match, the title match. I felt that the match was good. I think that before we comment on JBL not deserving the title and how WWE is going to go down and all of that crap, we ought to stop and take a deep breath. First of all, the WWE is already dropping (in my opinion). The emphasis is on the entertainment side much more now (e.g. Lita being pregnant). So to see a match of good quality on Smackdown! is a rarity nowadays. I reckon that you guys don't enjoy JBL's matches, because you don't want to. Somebody had to have the push, JBL was chosen. Booker T wouldn't have done much better (if any better) than what JBL has done. RVD is a face, and his time will come on a few months anyway. Rene, no. And finally, Cena. Cena's wrestling skills have been getting criticised recently, and I agree. Punches never did The Rock any harm, hence the huge crowd reactions, but we've got to be logical, Cena and Eddie:

a) Are both faces
b) Had a rivalry before (Chavo's return) which sucked
c) Are both champions, making one title a waste

The list of faults continues. If you guys could have come up with somebody slightly more appropriate to have had a title push, maybe you should speak out loud :)

[Cena316]

originally posted by The Shanny Man
Sorry dude, I like Taker, but Cena and the Dudleys should of won their matchs against Taker. Say what you want about HHH, at least he jobs and makes his opponent look good.

HHH has jobbed twice to the same person. I hardly see how that is jobbing to make somebody look good. Yea he jobbed to Benoit at Mania but Benoit was already an established wrestler.
Taker has jobbed in the past. Taker is about to retire and I think this should be his time to take it easy and not have to job. Taker's Jobbing days I think are over. Or atleast they should be. If they arent gonna use him anymore than they are then he shouldnt have to job. If he is going to be an everyweek character then yes he should job.

Take Trips for example. He is an every week character and look at him. Hardly ever jobbed until here recently. If HHH stops being an every week character like Taker then he should not have to job any more..Thats the way it should be.

[Gravedigger]

You guys are making HHH out to be this sudden saint when I'm sure you guys have at one time or another badmouthed him for not jobbing. HHH only started jobbing lately to make everyone shut up about him never losing matches, not because he wanted to. Someone with as big an ego as his is not going to just job to be nice (and I think his altercations outside of the arena like him vs. Goldberg at the car show will show he does have an ego).

HHH is one of the most concerned out of all the wrestlers as to what we think of him, which is why he badmouths the fans more than any other wrestler in the sport today.

EDIT: by the way, when I said fans in that last paragraph and used the word we, I meant Internet fans. Not fans in general.

[Unknown]

HHH has jobbed twice to the same person. I hardly see how that is jobbing to make somebody look good. Yea he jobbed to Benoit at Mania but Benoit was already an established wrestler.
Taker has jobbed in the past. Taker is about to retire and I think this should be his time to take it easy and not have to job. Taker's Jobbing days I think are over. Or atleast they should be. If they arent gonna use him anymore than they are then he shouldnt have to job. If he is going to be an everyweek character then yes he should job.

Take Trips for example. He is an every week character and look at him. Hardly ever jobbed until here recently. If HHH stops being an every week character like Taker then he should not have to job any more..Thats the way it should be.Taker shouldn't have to job? WTF? Ok so he should just go into programs with guys and just kill all of their heat? Everyone should job. Taker has the WWE to thank for him being such a big star and if he is as loyal to the company as he says he is and wants to see the WWE succeed when he is gone then he should put over the stars of the future. Take it easy? So him jobbing would be taking it hard? No offense but I don't see the point of your argument. Another thing, what sense would it make for as you put it a guy who isn't every week character to go over every week characters? Aren't those the guys expected to draw? If he is going to retire soon then have him go out like Foley did and put someone over in a big way. Look what it did for HHH's career. With the state SD is in your idea of him no longer jobbing and going on some sort of a Goldberg streak will not help the show one bit. All in all no offense but that was a rather weak way to defend him not having to job. One more question since you don't think Taker should "have to job", do you honestly think Taker should have went over Booker at JD? Just a question.

Also GD, I couldn't agree more with what you said.

[Superman33]

OK, what's the point of building Taker to be this unstoppable phenom if he's gonna job to people?

[Sunshine]

now that hes a heel, he should be getting more people over. Because i dont think it would work right if he was a face and lost all those matches.

[Unknown]

OK, what's the point of building Taker to be this unstoppable phenom if he's gonna job to people?What's the point of building him as that when the SD brand is in a horrible state? Taker's time to be the unstoppable phenom is over. If he was in his prime then I might agree to a degree but he isn't. I don't understand how people can get on HHH for doing the same exact thing but when Taker does it it's because of his character is supposed to be unstoppable. Since coming back Taker has killed most of Kane's credibility by squashing him at WM, Booker's cred by beating him at JD and then by having him be forgotten during their SD match, and now he has killed any cred the tag division has left by beating the champs. Honestly who would see Taker as not being a monster if he jobbed once or twice cleanly? If he has competitive matches and loses then he'll still save face. Taker's time to be the unstoppable monster has passed. It's now time for him to put the talent of tomorrow over unless the SD brand will collapse.

[Madhatter1]

I don't think Taker killed Kane credibility, I think the lack of focus the RAW writters had on Kane killed him, Booker's cred was killed a year ago when the writters and HHH failed to put the World Heavyweight Title on him. With Taker, I believe he can be the unstoppable force for a few months to re-establish him as a possible threat for JBL's title and a huge roadblock for Eddie Guerrero. If he jobbed to a former champ cleanly I would still buy him as a monster.

[Gravedigger]

now that hes a heel, he should be getting more people over. Because i dont think it would work right if he was a face and lost all those matches.
actually, I disagree. I think now that he's a heel, that he'll be winning matches even more and squashing even more people. Why? Because of his gimmick. He draws power from the urn and the darkness. Plus he has Heyman behind him now or he will eventually. He is like a demon and he's enraged. I don't think he'll lose another match due to what happened at GAB until at least Thanksgiving or maybe even the end of the year. This anger of his will be played up for at least another 3-5 months.


I don't think Taker killed Kane credibility, I think the lack of focus the RAW writters had on Kane killed him, Booker's cred was killed a year ago when the writters and HHH failed to put the World Heavyweight Title on him. With Taker, I believe he can be the unstoppable force for a few months to re-establish him as a possible threat for JBL's title and a huge roadblock for Eddie Guerrero. If he jobbed to a former champ cleanly I would still buy him as a monster.

Actually, Kane started building some cred imo between the time he unmasked and when he faced Undertaker at WM. The squash match between the two killed all that cred and it left me in utter disbelief that they'd let Kane be decimated that easily. If it was some kind of revenge angle, I'd be able to see it as needing to be a quick-ending match (and yes I know that Kane helped "bury" Undertaker which caused him to return as the Deadman, but they didn't focus much on it. They kept focusing on the fact that he was returning not that he was returning for revenge).

[The_Wolf]

What's the point of building him as that when the SD brand is in a horrible state? Taker's time to be the unstoppable phenom is over. If he was in his prime then I might agree to a degree but he isn't. I don't understand how people can get on HHH for doing the same exact thing but when Taker does it it's because of his character is supposed to be unstoppable. Since coming back Taker has killed most of Kane's credibility by squashing him at WM, Booker's cred by beating him at JD and then by having him be forgotten during their SD match, and now he has killed any cred the tag division has left by beating the champs. Honestly who would see Taker as not being a monster if he jobbed once or twice cleanly? If he has competitive matches and loses then he'll still save face. Taker's time to be the unstoppable monster has passed. It's now time for him to put the talent of tomorrow over unless the SD brand will collapse.

i totally agree 100%, taker needs to put talent over soon...if not i dont think SD will last very long.

[adamjday]

On the Triple H never jobbing until recently note, he still seems to be in the title picture all of the time, and never had to win number one contender matches or anything. He always headlines the big PPVs and matches, and rarely loses. As for the 'Taker needing to put other wrestlers over, I thought that he did that against Cena being honest. He didn't wipe the floor with him, and allowed Cena to come out of the match having very nearly beaten the Undertaker. Having him lose matches is an awful idea though, at the moment anyway. How many matches has he had since his return? Not many, and it's not like it would have made any sense for him to lose them matches.

I'd just like to say that I thought that the US Championship match sucked. That match had so much build-up, but turned out fairly crap. What was with two of them standing on the outside of the ring for the first part of the match, was that in the rules or something?

[Unknown]

Thursday's didn't matter to me as the time Cena should have been put over by him was last year at Vengeance. He just came back and? That doesn't mean that he should run through the whole SD roster with the little cred the show has. Right now they need him as a full time main eventer. The money match where he could have put someone over would have been Taker/Guerrero but the WWE messed that up. That would have given Eddie's run a bit of cred. Saying that he shouldn't lose matches because he hasn't had many is another weak argument. Look at Angle, when he comes back he jobs to Eddie Guerrero after winning at No Way Out. It did not hurt his character one bit that he lost only a bit after coming back. These arguments for Taker not having to job by you guys do not come off as anything that will help SD or hurt his character.

As for HHH, I agree. Hopefully he doesn't win the belt from Benoit because his character is much better without it and it's time for them to elevate someone new into the title picture. If Kane's character was booked properly I would say Kane should be next in line but it's not and he shouldn't. They are not really elevating anyone to the extent of getting a title reign other than HHH and Eugene.

Also on the US title match, yeah it wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. It just seemed too forumla and the only one who seemed to step their game up was Booker. It's a shame that he can't buy a main event push as he is one of the best at playing his character in a way that it will get over as champ on the SD roster.

[Cena316]

My argument is this...

First off Undertaker has been around a lot longer than Triple H. Im not saying Taker should "Never" job Im just saying he shouldnt have to job everytime he wrestles.

Triple H on the other hand only wins all of the time because of who he is married to. If triple H wasnt married to Stephanie McMahon then he would be jobbing just like everybody else. And he would also not be int he title picture every month. When did Triple H win a #1 contenders match? Triple H is in the title picture almost as much as the title itself.

So alow me to rephrase that. Taker should not be expected to job "Every" week.

the WWE needs to take a break from the game becaue yes Triple did lose the title at Wrestlemania but i bet you anything he wins the title back at Vengeance and will probably hold the title through december...

[Gravedigger]

When did Triple H win a #1 contenders match?
I think it was last week against Eugene.

[The Great One]

I don't think Taker killed Kane credibility, I think the lack of focus the RAW writters had on Kane killed him.

Honestly, Udertaker did in mind killed all the credability Kane had. Since Kane got unmasked and went on a run of destroying wrestlers on Raw, and the feud with Shane made him look unstoppable, burying his own brother was the icing on the cake. It made him look like an unstoppable monster. Everything was going fine when he buried his own brother. But at Royal Rumble when the videos and mind games started, everything that was going for Kane was going down the toilet, Kane was starting to look weak as he was scared throughout the time it hinted the return of the deadman. And then Mania, Undertaker made the return, and what did he do? He just beat Kane as if he was some little jobber. He made Kane look weak, and that he was nothing matched to the Undertaker, and if they booked it right, they could of had Kane look unstoppable at the time and still have Undertaker win. Remember the time Kane lost at Mania, when it took 3 tombstones, IMO that would of been the better route, Undertaker needing everything to beat Kane. Why did they build Kane over the 9 months of unmasking only to have Taker squash him?

Undertaker at this time in his career should be putting people over to help Smackdown and younger talent. Talent that are midcarding will be progressed to main event if they were to go over Taker, i am kinda getting bored with this invinceable crap. He will still have all the credability in the world even when he is jobbing, because there is nothing that would change his history or anything. If they keep him going over talent then it should spell the end of Smackdown when he is gone because the talent that are left will have very little credability, only because he has squashed them making them look soft. And him looking strong. IMO i don't think it is going to stop, so i guess i am going to have to accept that he is going to continue squashing the talent that is on Smackdown. :thumsdown

[Cena316]

originally posted by Gravedigger
I think it was last week against Eugene.

Ok I stand to be corrected. But he did not job to Eugene..

[Unknown]

Ok I stand to be corrected. But he did not job to Eugene..Why the **** should he of jobbed to Eugene? So we could have a Benoit/Eugene match at the PPV? Eugene's push has already been overdone enough but putting him in the main event would have just completely killed the novelty of his character. As for this HHH and his backstage power thing please. How many times has that argument been used? Find something new. I bet you if it was Taker and Eugene Taker would have squashed him without a second thougt. Legend Killer put it best with what he said about Taker. It is not just him jobbing, maybe he could try selling more too. The way he sold for Cena is the most I've seen him sell for a guy since fighting Brock and that was nearly two years ago. Even if he would have sold for Kane the way he did back in the day at WM Kane would have came out looking like a monster but Taker killed that. Look at Booker, Taker could have sold for him too. The only reason Booker's cred hasn't been killed yet is because he is so good at playing his character that anything he is put in will cause him to come out looking good in some way shape or form. He had Booker looking like a complete chump throughout their feud, then he killed Booker at JD giving him little offense, and in their return match he couldn't even put Booker over. If they would have had Booker feud with RVD then Booker would probably be one of SD's top heels right now. Look at the GAB, he couldn't even sell for the freakin' tag champs burying that division further than it has already been. Taker doesn't have to job all the time but he should atleast sell a hell of a lot more to make his opponent look more credible.

[Cena316]

originally posted by Unknown
Why the **** should he of jobbed to Eugene? So we could have a Benoit/Eugene match at the PPV? Eugene's push has already been overdone enough but putting him in the main event would have just completely killed the novelty of his character..

ok first off he should not have jobbed to eugene.. Eugene had no buisness being in a#1 contenders match to begin with. Eugene vs Triple h is a fine match but not a #1 contenders match. I agree with you one one thing. Eugene is getting too fast of a push..




As for this HHH and his backstage power thing please. How many times has that argument been used? Find something new.

OK and as far as this Triple H backstage power trip. What other excuse is there. There is no other reason why he is the top player on RAW.. If you can give me another valid reason that accually makes sense then i will use it. And it cant be because Triple H is the best on RAW because he is not. Yes he is good but he isnt the best. And if Triple H were getting all these title runs simply becaue he was the best then there would be a number of others getting a title run as well. But they arent. Mick Foley, Shawn Micheals,RVD, Randy Orton, Ric Flair,Kane, the list could go on of people who deserve a title shot. So you cant says Triple H is getting all the title shots becaue he is the best "Player" on RAW becaue he is not. He is married ot the bosses daughter end of story..And i you think you have a better reason then enlighten me..


And I will agree with you to a certain point on Undertaker. He should sell more. I personally think his time has come and gone. I think he may have lost the passion.Either that or his body just cant handle all the punishment anymore. Maybe he cant react as fast anymore. Or maybe he just flat doesnt wanna sell. I dont know what the deal is. So Unknown yes I agree with you 100% about the Undertaker. He should sell more.But as far as Jobbing. I think he has jobbed enough. And he isnt the only one. Ric Flair is the same way. If the WWE Played it the right way Taker could do without jobbing but still make it look good. The way the WWE plays it out it looks like Taker never wants to job. I dont know. All I know is Taker is getting old and it may be time to hang it up...

[adamjday]

Thursday's didn't matter to me as the time Cena should have been put over by him was last year at Vengeance... Right now they need him as a full time main eventer.

Firstly, what has what happened at Vengeance got to do with the Bash? You seem to be posting your thoughts in the wrong place, "Great American Bash Discussion". Now, I take that to mean what has gone on over the past few weeks, not last year. I don't disagree with you on the point, but I don't think it should have been bought up to help you with your arguement, especially seen as the 'Taker has had a huge gimmick change now. You also comment on Smackdown! needing more main eventers, but you want the biggest main eventer (Undertaker) to lose against people who are far too over-rated? Besides, who exactly did you want him to job to? Eddie? That would have been an awesome match (For those of you wondering at home, reading on a computer screen, I'm being sarcastic). So if the WWE did that, there would be two suitable contenders for the title at the moment, 'Taker and Guerrero. No JBL. Big Show and Angle are injured, so they can't. So unless we were to take out, let's say RVD and Cena from the US division, there'd be nobody to fight the winner of the match, because Eddie and the Undertaker could never have a proper feud. It wouldn't work. Remember Eddie Vs. Big Show, point proven.


He just came back and? That doesn't mean that he should run through the whole SD roster with the little cred the show has. Saying that he shouldn't lose matches because he hasn't had many is another weak argument. Look at Angle.

Hey, I don't know about everybody else, but that's a good arguement in my opinion. Angle is ONE example. And on your theory, short winning streaks following a return shouldn't happen. Rubbish. He's hardly ran through the entire roster has he? Let's see, he beat Kane, the FBI, Booker T, Cena and the Dudleyz. 'Taker has got his winning streak at WrestleMania, and you honestly can't believe Kane should have beaten him there. It did Kane no harm him losing, so why moan about that? The FBI are jobbers, don't count.
Booker T was his major rival to start with, heel Vs face, face usually wins. Then him beating Cena and the Dudleyz was to help him to portray his "unstoppable monster" type gimmick. That's my arguement.

Some other things about the GBA that annoyed me, Michael Cole and Tazz constantly going "Wow" and "How did he do that?". I mean, "How did he do that?", were they watching the damn PPV, maybe they got bored of the show and didn't watch it, so they missed the ending :p. Them phrases were said all through the evening! And, who else thought that Paul Bearer inside the crypt was like some stupid gameshow, just waiting to be gunged!

[Unknown]

Firstly, what has what happened at Vengeance got to do with the Bash? You seem to be posting your thoughts in the wrong place, "Great American Bash Discussion". Now, I take that to mean what has gone on over the past few weeks, not last year. I don't disagree with you on the point, but I don't think it should have been bought up to help you with your arguement, especially seen as the 'Taker has had a huge gimmick change now. You also comment on Smackdown! needing more main eventers, but you want the biggest main eventer (Undertaker) to lose against people who are far too over-rated? Besides, who exactly did you want him to job to? Eddie? That would have been an awesome match (For those of you wondering at home, reading on a computer screen, I'm being sarcastic). So if the WWE did that, there would be two suitable contenders for the title at the moment, 'Taker and Guerrero. No JBL. Big Show and Angle are injured, so they can't. So unless we were to take out, let's say RVD and Cena from the US division, there'd be nobody to fight the winner of the match, because Eddie and the Undertaker could never have a proper feud. It wouldn't work. Remember Eddie Vs. Big Show, point proven.



Hey, I don't know about everybody else, but that's a good arguement in my opinion. Angle is ONE example. And on your theory, short winning streaks following a return shouldn't happen. Rubbish. He's hardly ran through the entire roster has he? Let's see, he beat Kane, the FBI, Booker T, Cena and the Dudleyz. 'Taker has got his winning streak at WrestleMania, and you honestly can't believe Kane should have beaten him there. It did Kane no harm him losing, so why moan about that? The FBI are jobbers, don't count.
Booker T was his major rival to start with, heel Vs face, face usually wins. Then him beating Cena and the Dudleyz was to help him to portray his "unstoppable monster" type gimmick. That's my arguement.

Some other things about the GBA that annoyed me, Michael Cole and Tazz constantly going "Wow" and "How did he do that?". I mean, "How did he do that?", were they watching the damn PPV, maybe they got bored of the show and didn't watch it, so they missed the ending :p. Them phrases were said all through the evening! And, who else thought that Paul Bearer inside the crypt was like some stupid gameshow, just waiting to be gunged!I didn't think Kane should have beaten him. Did you see WM? Why would they have Taker squash Kane? A competitive match that went atleast 20 minutes where Taker would have had to pull out all of the stops to go over Kane would have done wonders for Kane and still would have kept his monster status up. It did him no harm losing? I think it did because he got SQUASHED. Also throughout the whole feud they made Kane look like a joke just like they did to Booker (who BTW wasn't even built as a threat to Taker throughout the feud which is where they dropped the ball...just look where he is now) during his feud with Taker. Kane goes from a guy who Taker has to deliver three tombstones to defeat to a guy who Taker beats in about five minutes. Don't get me started on the Dudley's thing. You honestly think that it is more important to portray Taker as something everyone already sees him as then to try and get your tag division over and their champs for that matter? Honestly if you do I don't really blame you because it's not like they care about their tag division anyways. You guys keep saying this stuff about his unstoppable monster gimmick well do you honestly think that it helps SD to have a guy who doesn't put people over? I don't think it's possible for people not to view Taker as a monster. Legend Killer put it best when he said that you can't rewrite history and a few losses in competitive matches will not hurt Taker's cred in any way shape or form. Also for your argument about me not bringing up old stuff? Why not? He may have a gimmick change but he was always viewed as an "unstoppable monster". If it will make you feel better I won't use this in the "GAB Discussion" thread to prove my point. You go onto saying that he shouldn't lose to people who are far too overrated? I doubt that the WWE cares about how overrated a guy is when trying to push them. I want to know exactly who you feel is overrated also. As for Taker/Eddie not being a good match? Look at Taker/Angle last year on SD. A great match between a big and small man. Eddie is just as talented as Angle meaning that you can expect the same a good match. Your comparison of Eddie/Show should be switched to a comparison with the Benoit/Kane feud. It would work if they build Eddie as a threat to Taker and the match would turn out to be something pretty good. Show is far larger than Taker don't forget that.

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originally posted by Adamjday
Firstly, what has what happened at Vengeance got to do with the Bash? You seem to be posting your thoughts in the wrong place, "Great American Bash Discussion". Now, I take that to mean what has gone on over the past few weeks, not last year.


Exactly this is not the place to discuss this. So I created a thread in the main WWE section to discuss this. That way nobody gets pissed.