Enough already!!!

[Duff]

Ok, for the intellectually chalenged amongst you, i'm going to spell it out. Some of you may have already guessed from Supes comments that "Juice" is, in fact, Wilse. I'm going to bring this out in the open now to avoid a Shan/An situation. Feel free to discuss this in here. BTW Wilse, i expect an AIM chat or a Pm in the forseeable future to discuss this. I've taken your side and backed you up in a lot of **** in the past, as well as the advice i have given you. I think the least you can do is give me an explanation!

[Drunkacho]

He made an account to flame himself, that = retarded. There's your explanation...

[Superman33]

This is a very immature move by Wilse, and it's obvious that he was trying to pull of a Shanando/Antlun situation.

[Duff]

maybe so, but i'll reserve judgement until i talk to him

[unpossibl1]

yeah, I would like to hear his reasoning before anyone passes judgment here...

[Drunkacho]

What can he possibly say that would make him look any less immature than he does now?

[unpossibl1]

I dunno...but we won't know until we ask him.

[Kandy]

Wow, Wilse is a good friend of mine, but I dont get his reasoning for this. It has me confused thoroughly.

[Chazz]

Well, it does sound like an immature act, but I will wait to hear what he has to say.

[Cena316]

Well I would just like to know how people keep making second accounts and nobody catches it right away...

Wilse your a cool guy and you are the last person I would expect to pull this especially after the shanando/antlum thing..But I too will wait for an explination..

[Y2J World Champ]

Yeah, um, I'm not involved in this but I'm also interested on what's going on here. So, Wilse, you've been nice to me by making me banners for my pay per views for my show in creative corner over at IOW, and I thank you for that. But I don't really know why people can sometimes be immature.

"Thank You"

Side Note: "Thank You" is my new catchphrase if anybody even gives a dam, which apparantly no one does, so, um, yeah, ROCK ON! :rockon:

[Gravedigger]

Well I would just like to know how people keep making second accounts and nobody catches it right away...
Like I told you before, how are we supposed to know that people are making second accounts??

There's no feature on the boards that notifies Trevor/Sonic that a person has registered a second account from the same IP. Usually troublemakers are checked first thing to see if they have a second s/n.

Tell me, when you read Juice's first post did you know that it was Wilse? If not, then I've made my point. If you did, then you either made a lucky guess or he told you he was doing it.

Until we look people up, we have no idea how many accounts anyone has. For all we know, Trevor could be half the people on the board and we'd have no evidence unless we looked up his alias' on the moderator control panel.

[Superman33]

We are not informed when someone has two accounts, so you're basically saying that we should have ESP. It's not like we saw this guy Juice and said "hey that's Wilse."

[Lover Nuts]

Man, I don't know what to say. I'll pass judgement when Wilse posts on here.

[unpossibl1]

All right guys, I spoke with Wilse tonight on AIM. He asked that I post the chat here so you guys could see where he was coming from, so here it is:

Session Start (AIM - unpossibl1:W i L s E GfX): Wed Jun 23 00:29:22 2004
W i L s E GfX: WTF
*** Auto-response sent to W i L s E GfX: I'm away right now.
unpossibl1: whats up
W i L s E GfX: you guys think I'm this Juice guy
W i L s E GfX: that's what's up!
W i L s E GfX: I can't believe none of you trust me
unpossibl1: lol...Wilse, I got the PM you sent the other day...give it up
unpossibl1: I mean IM
W i L s E GfX: IHAHA
W i L s E GfX: you don't get it
W i L s E GfX: .....
W i L s E GfX: don't worry
unpossibl1: ?
W i L s E GfX: I said don't worry
unpossibl1: about?
W i L s E GfX: not like you're gonna think it's the truth anyway so why bother
unpossibl1: what are you talking about? where is this coming from?
W i L s E GfX: I've got enough bad crap going on in my mind at the moment to be worrying about whether a forum of people trusts me or not
unpossibl1: ok
W i L s E GfX: you don't know what that meant when I said that...
W i L s E GfX: I don't ****ing care
W i L s E GfX: you guys think whatever you want to think
unpossibl1: what's gotten into you?
W i L s E GfX: I don't give a crap anymore
W i L s E GfX: about anything
unpossibl1: ok...well, nice to see you so cheery:)
unpossibl1: what's wrong?
W i L s E GfX: my life is full of **** now, I'm losing my friends because they are all after my girlfriend, I don't know what to do anymore
W i L s E GfX: I'm so pissed, yet I am so upset
W i L s E GfX: all I have is Effie now.
W i L s E GfX: which is all I want, all I ever want, but in a way I know I NEED more
unpossibl1: that sucks man...tough situation to be in
W i L s E GfX: I have an anger problem which I am going to get sounselling about, I got a whole school callign me a physcho
W i L s E GfX: because of my anger problems
W i L s E GfX: I am getting **** thrown at me every day, somebody threw a sharp pencil at me today tand the lead broke in my skin
W i L s E GfX: I got hit by an apple yesterday
W i L s E GfX: I don't give a **** about anything anymore
W i L s E GfX: only about Effie
unpossibl1: well, them calling you names probably doesn't help with that...do the people doing it get in trouble?
W i L s E GfX: she's all I care about
W i L s E GfX: no they don't
unpossibl1: well, do you say anything?
W i L s E GfX: because I have tried getting them in trouble, I got onme suspended then his whole group of friends beat me up the next day
W i L s E GfX: and I'm sorry about lying to you
W i L s E GfX: you know I am Juice adn you can tell people that, they can think how immature and all that I am, but when I flamed myslef, I meant it....
W i L s E GfX: I really did
unpossibl1: don't worry about it...It's no big deal
unpossibl1: why?
W i L s E GfX: because I do think of myself as an idiot, a clown, I pretty much hate myself at the moment
W i L s E GfX: then I tried to cover it up
W i L s E GfX: I am sorry about that
unpossibl1: why, because of whay other people are saying?
unpossibl1: no prob
W i L s E GfX: no because of everythign in my life
W i L s E GfX: it's like everything has gone wrong except for one thing, one thing that I hold onto tightly
W i L s E GfX: no-one at WP or anywhere else can understand just how I feel at the moment
W i L s E GfX: but I don't blame them for what they said
unpossibl1: Wilse, as bad as things seem right now, you have to understand that things will get better...
W i L s E GfX: I know, I have plans for the future, to get away with Effie from everyoen that treats me like **** and just to move away settle somewhere else where no-one knows us
W i L s E GfX: but I have taken 10 years of it and I have 3 years left of it
W i L s E GfX: and then I found so many friends at WP and IOW and WI, and now, they just, no, I just gave them reasons to look down on me, to be ashamed of m e etc
W i L s E GfX: I'm sorry to you and all of WP
W i L s E GfX: all of WI as well
W i L s E GfX: and the people at IOW htat aren't at those two places
unpossibl1: don't worry about it...it's the net...it's not real life
W i L s E GfX: you can post al lthat at WP as well
unpossibl1: what...you saying you are sorry? Don't worry, I will smooth things over...
W i L s E GfX: no al lthe convo
W i L s E GfX: so they know whats wrong
unpossibl1: oh ok...I will if you want me to
W i L s E GfX: I reckon it'd be good if they heard my side of the story
unpossibl1: yeah, probably wouldn't hurt...I am sure you will still get some flames, but that's just the way it goes
W i L s E GfX: I know
W i L s E GfX: a lot will just think it's an "excuse"
unpossibl1: that's true, they will...
unpossibl1: all right, well I will make a post with all of this in it
W i L s E GfX: thanks
unpossibl1: no problem

So that's Wilse's story guys. Like he and I were talking about, some people will probably not think too much of this, but I am not personally upset with him or anything. I understand he is going through a lot, and while that may not be an excuse for his actions as of late, I can at least understand that a message board is probably the least of his worries right now, so I am not going to chastise him or anything.

[R_A_V_E_N_kID_3_3]

I've always understood Wilse's problems from the beginning. Even though I haven't really been in a relationship while stuff like this was going on, I still know what he feels. There's been times that I've said I hate myself, just like him. I've gotten picked on sometimes, just like him. But now things are kinda good going. I guess you could say it's like a stage, but eventually things will get better. It's hard to take things like this, I know, and it's hard to get over it sometimes, but you have to find someway todo it...

[james_aust]

The little guy's 14.. I can let it ride.. the people here need to realise that this is JUST THE NET.. and in a forum not too much harm can be done.. the guy's going through a lot of **** and even if it is just an "excuse" he would have to regret it so either way this is a learning expieriance..

I am sorry if you are going through hard times Wilse.. it will get better.. times at school can be hell and heaven.. it just takes time to move through the bad. If you need anyone to talk to you should definitly talk to a councellor.. some can be really great and down to Earth.. and I am not just saying that, as my brother died when I was in yr 7 back years ago and talked to one.. they can help and if not you get out of class for a while ;) lol

Never the less.. if you ever need to talk to someone people will be there for you.. even if it is just someone you met on the net.. I have someone I know but never really talk to except on msn and we help each other through hard times.. she told me when she was suicidal and I helped her through it.. you just need one person and they can be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Good luck finding your light.. if you ever need a hand or just a chat, PM me.. and I think everyone here will get over it.. don't worry.. it's just the net.. real life's much more damming!!

[The-Noodle]

WOOOO ... it sounds like Wilse is going through a lot of ****. while reading that i felt heaps of sympathy for him. and as james said, it is just the net, so we can't really experience whats going on, but by the sounds of it, everyone is a btch around you, now i am roughly the same age as him, so as raven kid said, we can understand easier. anyway as james said, just PM any member of WP, etc. if you really need help, perhaps someone who has gone through a similar thing.

Goodluck!

[Wilse]

Well thanks for your replies, no need for sympathy tho, I don't deserve it. I am sorry what I did and I know a heap of you have lost lots of respect for me, I totally understand that, and I don't blame you. You know for a moment there it felt cool to feel like someone else and show people just how much I hate myself. I saw how it turned out and just went along with it, and if you didn't find out who I was I was just gonna stay away anyway, I am sorry to LK, I didn't mean what I said to you. and I am sorry everyoen for lieing to you.

I am having a rough patch right now, all I basically have is Effie and a couple friends, It's not much I know, Effie means a lot to me, so I wanna hold on to her as toghtly as I can, she is I guess my light, because I can never get mad at her, I can talk to her about anything etc. I have been crying myself to sleep the past few dyas thinking of how bad everythign was, but as soon as I saw Effie the next day I didn;t care... So I think she is my light.

I just want to say I'm sorry to you guys again.

I must go again now,
ciao.

[The-Noodle]

no need for the sorry's, and we shall hopefully see you over at WI and IOW once the **** clears up and I hope that it gets better for you. You have lost no respect to me, and you will probably remain the best GFX maker here (unless raven kid catches up. lol.) and thanks for all your help, cya around.

[Drunkacho]

Regardless of what you can say, my opinion remains the same. I'll probably be alone on that, but that's how I see things.

[The-Noodle]

What was your opinion Drunky? That he will come back? I forgot.

[Peoples King]

Hate to sound like a prick over here but why the **** not? Cry me a ****ing river!

In all honesty I have friend just like Wilse and he makes himself out ot be the victem just like Wilse does. Everyone is against and all his friends are plotting behind his back. Including me it seems as the little prick isnt talking to me because I called him batman.

Im looking at Wilse and Im looking at him and golly gosh they are almost identical. Wilse you keep on playing the victem and from what I see you are pretty much driving your friends away. You have gotten it into your head that they are all after your 14 year old GF. Chances are they like her but you have blown it way out of ****ing proportion. My guess is that if Effie looks at them the worng way, you get into a huff and storm off home.

Get over yourself. Im not going to give you any sympathy or say, "Oh its okay you are going through a tough time." I dont believe in it and I think Im starting to see a pattern in your victem trips.

Oh dont worry I expect alot of people to say, "King that was uncalled etc" but really I couldnt care because I know someone just like you. So now I'll just sit and wait for people to come and give me **** for speaking my mind.

Ladies and gentleman that was the sugar on toast!

[Gravedigger]

I'm getting sick and tired of all the teenagers around here making multiple accounts to work out their frustrations on what's happening in real life.

Then they go the whole "now everyone hates me, but the rest of you will feel sorry for me" sympathy route.

I don't have sympathy for the situation. Some people will think that's weird when they read that I was made fun of in 5th-7th grade. Did I act differently outside of school? Did I treat other people like crap and lie to people? No. I just ignored them. What did I do when it got out of hand? I grew a freakin backbone and put a stop to it.

1. I started standing up to the people who made fun of me. They rarely did it after that.

2. Once I did number one, I started making new friends who got pissed that I was being picked on and then suddenly had a group of friends I could hang out with plus they put a total stop to the making fun of me thing.

I still got made fun of on occasion by people here and there, no biggie though. By 10th grade, I learned to develop an "I don't care" attitude towards those people. I laughed when they made fun of me. That ruins all the fun and it makes it worse when you crack a joke on yourself in front of them. Since I developed that attitude in 10th grade, I haven't heard a single joke cracked on me.

If you have people making fun of you, stand up to them and grow a backbone. Doesn't matter how tall or short you are. Doesn't matter how skinny or fat you are. Doesn't matter how ugly or good-looking you are. Doesn't matter how you look or what is being made fun of, getting a backbone always works.

I hope all the angry teenagers are reading this. You being made fun of is your fault. The reason they make fun of you is probably not your fault, but them making fun of you is, because you're not putting a stop to it. There's always a way to stop them from doing it. You've just not found the right way.

And as for those sitting there thinking "OH jeez, it's the net, what he's doing is harmless". Well, most of us don't want to log onto the internet to see this kinda crap going on all the time. Most of us come on here to enjoy ourselves and have meaningful, intelligent conversations.

The Internet is not a place to take out your anger on the world. :whatevera

[Drunkacho]

What PK and GD just posted was basically my opinion, Noodle.

[Wilse]

Hate to sound like a prick over here but why the **** not? Cry me a ****ing river!

In all honesty I have friend just like Wilse and he makes himself out ot be the victem just like Wilse does. Everyone is against and all his friends are plotting behind his back. Including me it seems as the little prick isnt talking to me because I called him batman.

Im looking at Wilse and Im looking at him and golly gosh they are almost identical. Wilse you keep on playing the victem and from what I see you are pretty much driving your friends away. You have gotten it into your head that they are all after your 14 year old GF. Chances are they like her but you have blown it way out of ****ing proportion. My guess is that if Effie looks at them the worng way, you get into a huff and storm off home.

Get over yourself. Im not going to give you any sympathy or say, "Oh its okay you are going through a tough time." I dont believe in it and I think Im starting to see a pattern in your victem trips.

Oh dont worry I expect alot of people to say, "King that was uncalled etc" but really I couldnt care because I know someone just like you. So now I'll just sit and wait for people to come and give me **** for speaking my mind.

Ladies and gentleman that was the sugar on toast!

Yuo do not know me, you have no right to say that you know what's going on until you fly down to Australia and watch me and see what one day of school is like for me. I have friends drooling over my girlfriend because she has big breasts, I have people basically hurting me for a good laugh, I have even a best friend who joins in with them, my life is ****ed. You do not ****ing know me and you will never ****ing know me, all you known is me on here, at school I sit down and do work and get hurt every day for it. I can't do anything back because it's a "don't do to others what they do to you" thing, Effie hates seeing it when I fight people. I get ganged up on by a huge group of kids one ****ing ****head even threatened me with a knife. Why is that? Cause I sit down in class, do my work and be good? because I used to be fat? because I am experiencing love when they are experiencing the school sluts? cause I don't fnd it cool to skate, do drugs etc? I don't want to be like those ****ing ****heads and I get **** about that every ****ing day. SEEMS TO ME THAT A LITTLE ITTY BITTY FORUM IS NONE OF MY ****ING CONCERN! I'd do the world good probably if I died right now.. I have 3 people who actually care whether I am or not, Effie, my mum and my dad..... I'm sick of ****ing life and I'm sick of being a ****ing victim all the time, I wanna live a good life, I Wanna be happy! It's be good to go a full day having a smile the whole day. Effie is the only good thing I have right now, and no if she looked at another guy wrong I wouldn't care, it's natural, but when your friends start staring t your girlfriend's tits and even touching her a lot, you kinda get a bit pissed off as any perosn would!

I ****ing don't give a crap anymore? GD I tried that and the ****heads pretty much say well if you don't give a crap, then you don't care if we do this! and they ****ing kick the crap outta me, this is before and after school, it's got so outta control, and you know why I seem liek the vicitm all the time? because I actually came to you guys for advice because I kept all this inside of me and needed to tlak to some people, people that were older and maybe had a clue, and people I THOUGHT were friends. Looksl ike it dod more harm than good, for my internet character, but I felt good going to you guys, at least I used to... But **** all you guys now, I don't care anymore, you hate me you go right ahead, nothing's stopped 400 students, nothing's gonna stop a few members on a forum who I thought were friends, I just hope you stop and think about what ya did, that's all.

I wnana say thankyou too, cause I came to you when I had problems, I didn't come to you about them all, but more along th elines of when I couldn't take any more.

It's goodbye now, for WP, IOW and WI, good luck with all your sites.

Adios.

[Gravedigger]

wtf, if you had come to us BEFORE you made another s/n you might not have gotten flamed and tsk-tsked for it.

You're the one who let the situation at school get out of hand. You could have and should have put a stop to it, but you didn't.

:thumsdown

EDIT: BTW, when did anyone on here say they weren't your friend anymore?? Just because we didn't tell you what you wanted to hear doesn't mean we aren't your friends.

[The Kid]

Man, I've always kinda thought Wilse was a real good poster and respected him but this **** is getting way outta hand. He thrives on sympathy and you can really tell because this isn't the first time that he's done something like this. It's the first time he's made a diff s/n but he for as long as I can remember has been bitching about how terrible his life is. Wilse basically you're are a bitch. I don't like flaming people and I rarely do but I just can't stand your bitching.

You say that we don't know you or know what your life is like, it's not really needed. Wilse unlike what you may want to believe you're not all that different and not all that complex. I mean every teenager has gone through what you have but we found a way to get through it. Your way seems to be coming on the net and try to get sympathy. I've seen you before Wilse, not personally but you're just like every confused young person. You want these people to stop making fun of you, I can't help you there. I don't however think that the best option is doing something like this. You could use WP,WI,IOW as an escape from your problems rather than trying to bring them here.

That's just my opinion and I might catch some flames for it, but I know there are people who whether they post it or not, agree with me.

[Gravedigger]

That's just my opinion and I might catch some flames for it, but I know there are people who whether they post it or not, agree with me.
I don't see how you would catch any flames after his last post. He basically said that no one on here is his friends and basically told us off.

All that post did was prove what PK said. He started the post trying to prove PK wrong and then he goes on to prove every single point in PK's post.

He's blowing the WP/Juice and how we're reacting to it out of proportion and now he's pushing us away, too. I really hope Wilse reads this so he'll see that he's proven PK right.

You know you have anger problems...yet you can't see that you might be blowing things into something bigger than they already are??

[Lover Nuts]

Well I'm on the tip of my tongue on this one.

I can kinda relate to you Wilse. Now about your friends checking out your girl, well now I sort of think your paranoid there. It seems like your always getting in a pickle about Effie. Now if Effie had cheated on you with someone else and you've been a bit edgy than I can relate with that, it's happened to me but I won't get into it. My bullying has died down now because like GD said I have now a 'i don't care what you think' attitude. Also I am trying to find God.

Now you talk about killing yourself, just read the quote in my sig if you want to know what I think. I think it's a loser's/*****'s way out of life, seriously it will get a lot better.

It also seems to me that your always trying to get sympathy from people here or in IOW. Whether your posts are in Chit Chat or Rants you seem to be trying to get sympathy.

Also I think all these problems are revolved around Effie.

[Gravedigger]

I agree, Shanando. As soon as Wilse gets his anger under control, he'll see that he's blowing things out of proportion. People see you getting angry, so they push at you and poke at you. It's your fault for letting them see your anger in the first place.

That's why they keep pushing at you. You say that you have tried the "I dont' care attitude". You've obviously done it wrong. You either told them out loud that you don't care, which is stupid, or your anger still showed through and they saw right through your act.

You have to have the attitude that you don't care. You can't verbally not care. You can't show it through your body language either. You have to adopt the attitude that you don't care.

When you get your anger under control, everything will become clear. Otherwise, since all these problems end up back at Effie, I really think one day you'll strike her. Then you'll unleash a hell storm when the guys at school find out.

[Lover Nuts]

When you get your anger under control, everything will become clear. Otherwise, since all these problems end up back at Effie, I really think one day you'll strike her. Then you'll unleash a hell storm when the guys at school find out.

I agree. Ages ago when it was really serious I punched someone because all the anger built up on me. It really pissed me off as he didn't do anything that bad to me. Luckly we get along now. This happened because it all built up onto me, that's a bad thing. Since about probably a month I've been working out with some weights and that's taken a lot of fustration away from me. Also try to look at the postive things in life, I have my girl who loves me, my grades in English are going up and summer is here. :winkok:

[Chazz]

It really is funny to me how people get wrapped up in themselves and figure that their life is nothing but ****. Wilse.....you are a freakin teenager who has yet to even experience life. Try being an adult who has a family to provide for, bills to pay, and has to deal with everyday life. You go to school and you get picked. Do something about it. Your girl doesn't like you fighting? Then tell her that you have to stand up for yourself. I have never heard of anyone that had an entire school hate him. If they do, then my question would be what did you do to deserve it?

Growing up is tough, I won't deny that. I grew up and went through all kinds of trials and tribulations. But never.......ever.....did I try to play the "whoa is me, my life sucks" character. I learned, like GD said, to be a man and step up for myself. I was never the most popular guy, but people knew me and respected the hell out of me because I was honest and didn't pull any punches. Someone had a problem with me, then we go work it out.

A word of caution here Wilse. Don't put everything you have into Effie. I say this because what will happen if the two of you break up? I don't want that to happen, but I am being realistic. You are a teenager, who is 14 years old and right now you are infatuated with this girl. That can be a dangerous thing. You need to get your own **** straightened out and quit blaming others for your misfortunes. And your suicide talk? If you can't find a reason to live then you have more serious issues to deal with and you need some serious help. Everyone......everyone.....has a reason to live. That kind of talk can mean one of two things. (1). You really do have some serious problems, or (2) you are saying stuff like that for attention.

I don't know you, but I do know when someone wants attention. By you creating another name for yourself here just tells me you wanted attention. Your excuse is lame, and I don't buy it one damn bit. I know that is harsh to say, but it is the truth. I hope you get help and work things out. But, you need to charge of your life and quit letting others dictate it for you.

[Funk]

Absolutly Chazz.
Gravedigger is right about the i-don't-care attitude.
PK is right about making yourself a victim.
And Chazz is right about you totally loving this girl and closing all other doors to outside life.

I am a wierd guy. I am sure you guys would agree. I have my on and off days, my suicidal and happy-go-lucky days, and my days where I have to be right, a friggin prick.

In elementery... I was beat up! *sHoCk* I was beat up by guys that were :
a. Going to get beat up by me in the near future. :)
b. Venting out their anger from dealing with a parental divorce.
c. Really Fat and bigger than me.
d. Facists, that after they made a group, they would say the way I thought was wrong.

I kicked their ass when I grew up. Like Chazz and GD said, I never pulled a ****ing punch, I am a rough fellow and in grade six I pummeled them good.

Wilse, effie as hot and as nice as she is, isn't worth the pain you are going through. Tell effie to cover herself up and to stand up for herself not you for her. And get some god damn help. I had a friend who had the same problemes you did, he was suicidal. Do you want to turn out like a the friend of FMF? The guy that couldn't deal with himself and always turn into a bitch? GET YOUR LIFE ON TRACK TELL EFFIE TO ETHIER DO HER PART OF PUSHING AWAY THE GUYS OR ****ING DUMPING HER, SHE DOESN'T LOVE YOU IF SHE LETS THIS HAPPEN TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!

LA DI DA! I should be a psychologist.

[Lover Nuts]

*SHOCK*For once I actually agree with Funky.*SHOCK*

[Superman33]

Here's what I think, and I'll probably get **** for it.

Wilse, you belong in a mental institution alongside Luke. Thank You.

[Funk]

No shanando you agreed with me before I ragged on you for being antlun. Don't forget that. Infact, you agreed with me even after I ragged on you.


Edit.

Supes what did luke do??
And ever notice how when some says "here comes the flames." or "I am gonna get flammed" they don't? :D

[Lover Nuts]

No shanando you agreed with me before I ragged on you for being antlun. Don't forget that. Infact, you agreed with me even after I ragged on you.


What is in the past is in the past. Boo hoo freakin' hoo, you ragged on me. Of course I agreed with you after you 'ragged' on me for being Antlun, refer to my last post.

Hey Supa, are we talking about Lukester here?

[Sonic625]

LOL sorry this whole incident reminds me of someone else.... but Im not going to judge anyone for now, instead offer some advice.

Wilse, If you are having this much trouble with her now just think of how things will be when you and her are out of HS and still in a serious relationship. If there was a study done I bet nearly 90% of all High School (14-18yr old) relationships don't work out. Why? In my view it’s because people are GF/BF in HS for notoriety and for social status, after HS you are not around the same people and you don’t care who is dating who.

Im not going to tell you what to do in your situation but don’t let things like people looking at her get to you, if its meant to be she will stay by your side through it all. I thought I had found my one to be with just after HS and I went through some stressful periods but she wasn't worth it so I then became a different person and just dated girls until I found the one I wanted to be with and 4 yrs later Im still with her.

So in conclusion come here for the chat but don’t let anything said here get to you and take things slow in RL.

BTW, go catch a kangaroo for me; I have always wanted to see one in RL lol :)

**edit**
Supes, I think the change in temps here are getting to ya.. or the fact that the Rangers are in first place is making you brutally honest. But lets keep the past in the past.

Thanks,
S

[Lover Nuts]

LOL sorry this whole incident reminds me of someone else.... but Im not going to judge anyone for now, instead offer some advice.


Yeah same here, but with less flames. :gross_11:

[Superman33]

Supes, I think the change in temps here are getting to ya.. or the fact that the Rangers are in first place is making you brutally honest. That's gotta be it, Sonic. :winkok:

[Raven]

Wilse, I have been in a similiar situation a few years ago when I was in school and all I will say is GROW UP AND GET OVER IT! For the next few years, this will either be as good as it gets for you or you'll rise above it. You're not the victim, people don't just spontaneously hate you for no reason. You don't get threatened with a knife unless you do something to piss some one off.

And since you wanted attention, I think you got it. Congratulations!

[Weaf]

I remember saying that Wilse reminds me of Hurricane a couple of weeks ago, looks like I could have been right. I can't feel any pity for Wilse because he seems like a twat, how bad can your life seriously be? I know life can seem hard at 14 but if you think you're having a hard time then you don't know ****, in fact Why the hell am I posting crap to a 14 year old kid?

I find it hilarious that you're planning your future already, don't take this the wrong way man but I doubt your girlfriend will stay around that long.

Goodbye Wilse, actually that's not what I wanted to say...

**** off Wilse. (That's better.)

[Lover Nuts]

Hey Wilse what music do you listen to? Music might get you depressed, such as that Nirvana crap, Linkin Park and Blink 182. I suggest you listen to Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, The Smiths, Jimi Hendrix and others I will name later.


I find it hilarious that you're planning your future already, don't take this the wrong way man but I doubt your girlfriend will stay around that long.

That I also agree with. I remember you once talking about should you and Effie get married. It's your and Effie's choice not anyone else's. I personally think your taking this Effie girl for granted.

BTW, I don't hate you, I'm just sharing my opinion.

[Funk]

What the hell does music have to do??? Nirvana depresses people that are 14, yeah right.

Shanando, just stop helping you make yourself seem like a total idiot.

[Lover Nuts]

Shanando, just stop helping you make yourself seem like a total idiot.

Why shoulden't I? Wasn't you talking about suicide in one of your posts? Heck we got a bunch Nirvana freaks in my school. For example, there is a girl in our school who always wears her Nirvana hoodie whether she goes, she probably sleeps in it. People look up to Kurt Cobain as if he's a god which I think is total bull****, he only got as famous as he did because he shot himself. Besides Dave and Krist never got credit, then again Dave is doing a **** load of better things.

There were a load of better grunge bands anyway such as Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.

[Superman33]

I find it hilarious that you're planning your future already, don't take this the wrong way man but I doubt your girlfriend will stay around that long.


Good job, Weaf. Now he's probably gonna go kill himself. :chuckles:

[Raven]

Good job, Weaf. Now he's probably gonna go kill himself. :chuckles:

That'd actually be kinda funny!! Tragic but funny.

[Chazz]

Let me add something here. Wilse is a guy who helped get this website going. I mean, to ask a 14 year old to help get this website going says to me that Wilse was very highly thought of. The guy made some kick-ass graphics and such. Wilse, that should tell you right there that there are people out here who thought highly of you. The thing is, you had to go and play some stupid game to bring attention to yourself. That is where you lost credability.

See, I could come on here and say stuff like "Oh, it's okay Wilse. Things will be alright.", and basically lie my ass off to make you feel better. Instead, I am telling you the truth about your situation, and so are many others here. Thing is Wilse, I can't think of anyone on here that would want you to suffer. I sure as heck wish no ill will towards you at all, and I don't even know you.

Truth hurts sometimes, and the truth is, you ****ed up! Plain and simple. Now, deal with it and make your life better. For one, you should be proud of the things you can do with computers. Two, yes you have a girlfriend, but like I said, you need to not make your life revolve around her. She may not be there, and no matter what you think or what she says now, you just have no guarantee. A lot can change in a year. Just a heads up. And lastly, get yourself help and start taking control of your life. You are too young to be this angry and pissed. Life is meant to be enjoyed.

[Gravedigger]

What the hell does music have to do??? Nirvana depresses people that are 14, yeah right.

Shanando, just stop helping you make yourself seem like a total idiot.
If you think that music can't influence people, then I think that last sentence should read Funk instead of Shanando.

Music doesn't influence EVERYONE, but it does influence some people, usually people who are weak or stupid.

[CLIT]

Wow. I'm on vacation and Wilse turns into Hurricane. :eek:

Frickin' weird.

*Goes back on vacation. See you next week.* :cool:

[Funk]

Sorry Gravedigger If I don't think anyone here is weak and stupid.

[Lover Nuts]

Ok, I've just had a short conversation with Wilse over MSN and this is he says.

[08:03:16] wilse_gfx@ho: just to clear things up, Effie's the one who
said she wants to marry me... ok?
[08:03:25] X Lionmania : k then sorry
[08:04:15] wilse_gfx@ho: and you can tell Supes and that, that they
are sick ****heads if they find Suicide amusing.
[08:04:20] wilse_gfx@ho: that's all I ahev to say
[08:04:34] X Lionmania : ok then i will

[The_Wolf]

Well ill be damned, it was Wilse.

I think Chazz knows what his talking about, but Wilse you gotta wake up and realise. your 14, talking about marrage is just crap. you think getting married is gonna make everything stop? do you actually spend time with your friends or just with your gf? cause mate i hope your not leaving your mates out cause they will turn there backs on you and you will cope it.
Your gonna have to stand up to these guys or learn to defend yourself. try kickboxing.
if its really getting to you then maybe you should leave and go to another school. But i dont support leaving, as its running away from the situation and it will one day come back to haunt you.
sorry Wilse life sucks, you think life sucks at 14?..just wait till you grow up....

[Dreamer]

The way I see it is this is the net and nothing more, we may think we know Wilse's life but we really don't...

Until we are actually standing next to him all the time then we can't judge him because we do not know the whole story, im sure there is alot more to his life then what he has told you all.

If I get flamed then whatever because I am speaking my mind and I am entitled to my opinion.

[Peoples King]

Luke the dude came on here constantly talking about Effie, asking for advice and generally playing the victem. I have to agree with Chazz and the Wolf in what they say. Wilse from what I see has the emotional thought process of a ten year old. In other words he is innocent. The fact that he talks about marrying this girl is ludicrus. And Wilse I remember on IOW you talked about your plans to marry her and mentioned that you have been thinking about it for a while. So in truth it wasnt Effie that said it, it was you. See, I remember everything.

Now suicide isnt amusing and I dont think you are ever going to commit suicide. From what I have seen from you here you are a paranoid dude. Your friends check your GF out, big whoop. That is no reason for you to push them away. Please for your sake and, cant believe Im about to say this, Effie's sake do not turn away from your friends. I know someone who is doing that at the moment and within a month I know that he will be a miserable ****.

Finally I want to close with talk on Nirvana. They are, along with Pavement, the greatest band of the ninties. Shanny you are right in the bands you named, cept for AC/DC which is utter bollox. Hendrix kicks ass as do the Stones but Nirvana kick as much ass. Pick up Nirvana Unplugged in New York, which is IMO one of the greatest albums of all time and marked a high point for the band. Dont dismiss a band because there are a few freaks in your school, they arent true fans of music.

[Dreamer]

Luke the dude came on here constantly talking about Effie, asking for advice and generally playing the victem. I have to agree with Chazz and the Wolf in what they say. Wilse from what I see has the emotional thought process of a ten year old. In other words he is innocent. The fact that he talks about marrying this girl is ludicrus. And Wilse I remember on IOW you talked about your plans to marry her and mentioned that you have been thinking about it for a while. So in truth it wasnt Effie that said it, it was you. See, I remember everything.

Now suicide isnt amusing and I dont think you are ever going to commit suicide. From what I have seen from you here you are a paranoid dude. Your friends check your GF out, big whoop. That is no reason for you to push them away. Please for your sake and, cant believe Im about to say this, Effie's sake do not turn away from your friends. I know someone who is doing that at the moment and within a month I know that he will be a miserable ****.

Once again I will say it, this is the net not real life... I talk to Wilse for hours on end everynight and there is more to it then you think, you have no clue about he and Effie but you seem to think you do, and yes I even talk to Effie so I know.

Oh and then he gets judged because he is 14 and has big plans for his future, we are all different.

[Peoples King]

No Luke most of us are practical and you dont seem to be pracitcal. Oh did I say that? Damn I did.

How many sides of the story have you gotten Luke? One, that being Wilse but you seem to believe everything told to you because thats just in your nature. I have know people just like Wilse. Look it Wilse doesnt have it as bad as he lets on, he couldnt. Someone who has it bad keeps these things locked up inside and doesnt want other people to see their problems. Im sorry but Wilse likes the attention and likes the fact that we all come running to tell him how much of an ******* these people are.

Why did he create Juice? Attention. He has the gual to create this imaginary dude from school that hates him. If Wilse was getting beat on as much as he claims to be then the cops would have been called in by now. This guy is playing you for a fool. He may have trouble but not half the trouble he claims to have.

For a long time I had the same view as you Luke but the more I look at it the more I see all the BS. Luke you are a trusting guy and that is a great thing but I just cant trust these stories that were regurgitated over and over.

But Im thinking that we could be going round in circles discussing this and I seriously couldnt be bothered talking about it anymore.

[Gravedigger]

Sorry Gravedigger If I don't think anyone here is weak and stupid.
I didn't say anyone here was weak and stupid. I said people who are influenced by music are weak and stupid. If you're saying people here are influenced by music and can't think and act for themselves using their own brain instead of what a rap artist or rock artist tells them, then they're weak and stupid in my opinion. Most people out there have minds of their own. I'm one of them.

[Peoples King]

Most people out there have minds of their own. I'm one of them.

Thats what they want you to think. :eek:

[Lover Nuts]

Luke the dude came on here constantly talking about Effie, asking for advice and generally playing the victem. I have to agree with Chazz and the Wolf in what they say. Wilse from what I see has the emotional thought process of a ten year old. In other words he is innocent. The fact that he talks about marrying this girl is ludicrus. And Wilse I remember on IOW you talked about your plans to marry her and mentioned that you have been thinking about it for a while. So in truth it wasnt Effie that said it, it was you. See, I remember everything.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. I thought Wilse said that about getting married to Effie.


Now suicide isnt amusing and I dont think you are ever going to commit suicide. From what I have seen from you here you are a paranoid dude. Your friends check your GF out, big whoop. That is no reason for you to push them away. Please for your sake and, cant believe Im about to say this, Effie's sake do not turn away from your friends. I know someone who is doing that at the moment and within a month I know that he will be a miserable ****.

That I also agree with. I think your talking bull Wilse about commiting suicide.


Finally I want to close with talk on Nirvana. They are, along with Pavement, the greatest band of the ninties. Shanny you are right in the bands you named, cept for AC/DC which is utter bollox. Hendrix kicks ass as do the Stones but Nirvana kick as much ass. Pick up Nirvana Unplugged in New York, which is IMO one of the greatest albums of all time and marked a high point for the band. Dont dismiss a band because there are a few freaks in your school, they arent true fans of music.

Sorry I didn't make this clear. I don't hate Nirvana fans, I just hate some who use it as a excuse to look like a mosher (grebe, rocker, whatever the hell you call it) by looking up to him as a leader. There are so many underrated grunge bands because people were lead to believe by MTV that they were the ultimate grunge group. I know for a fact that Pearl Jam is a hell lot more talented than Nirvana.

BTW King, if your talking about the new AC/DC with Brian Johnson then I completely agree with you (I only liked Back in Black by Brian), but the earlier stuff like High Voltage and Highway to Hell kicks ass! :winkok:

[Peoples King]

Yeah I have to agree with that Shanny. The original AC/DC were good but then again when I listen to them I just hear the same thing again. AC/DC werent very revolutionary in their style of music. I mean compare them to the Stones and what the Stones were able to do. The Stones had so many styles for whatever mood you are in.

Pearl Jam are a really good band but if I were to choose between the albums I would go with Nirvana. However you know saying that Im not a diehard Nirvana fan, Im a fan of music. I always dislike it when people ask what kind of music I listen to because really I couldnt in anyway narrow it down. I mean when I was younger I would say punk (thats old school punk i.e. REAL punk music) but now I just have so many influence's. Old and new.

Damn this is becoming a music thread. Best get back on topic before Duff comes.
*whistles and pretends that no one said anything about music*

[Lover Nuts]

Yeah I agree that the Rolling Stones were more legendary, but as a guitarist I like Angus Young's use of blues in his solos. I also have a figure of him upstairs in my room lol.

Hey King, by old school punk I hope you mean the Clash, Sex Pistols, The Ramones, X-Ray Spex and other british punk bands than the **** we have today like Blink 182 and Good Charlotte. Yeah I also hate it when people ask me what type of music I like, there are so many different genres I like such as Old School Hip Hop and dance, Rock, some metal and old school punk.

*Time to get on topic. Blah blah wilse blah blah wilse.*

[.:KnoX:.]

Thank god I'm not as addicted to this whole forum **** as some of the guys, ... and girls, here. It seems to do strange things to individuals. :\

[Superman33]

Yay, I come back to see that Luke is pulling his "you don't know about anyone's life" routine.

[Funk]

If you think that music can't influence people, then I think that last sentence should read Funk instead of Shanando.

Music doesn't influence EVERYONE, but it does influence some people, usually people who are weak or stupid.


That is what you said. Then you have the audacity to say that I should put my name at the end of the sentence than Shanando?

I know music only influences the weak willed and stupid that is why I made my first post in the first place, beacause Shanando thought that music did influence Wilse. Now you contradict yourself in an attempt to "burn" me? Go screw yourself. You just can't admit I am right.


On freaking topic.

Wilse needs a good ass kicking. That will set him strait.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Funkmaster Flash
What the hell does music have to do??? Nirvana depresses people that are 14, yeah right.

Shanando, just stop helping you make yourself seem like a total idiot.

That's what I quoted from you. It seemed like you were trying to say that you didn't think music influenced people and then you say that I was calling everyone stupid. How is that contradicting myself? If I misunderstood what you said, then that makes me wrong.

Get over the whole proving the other person wrong thing. You hold onto grudges too much.

[Dreamer]

Yay, I come back to see that Luke is pulling his "you don't know about anyone's life" routine.


Well you know what Supes it is true, do you really know anyone that you talk to on the net? No

[Raven]

People, please draw attention back onto the physco dude!!

[Lover Nuts]

People, please draw attention back onto the physco dude!!

Until he posts, we're talking about music! :winkok:

[Superman33]

Well you know what Supes it is true, do you really know anyone that you talk to on the net? NoYou're right. I don't know anyone, nor do I care because this is the ****ing internet. You and Wilse sit there and play that "you don't know anyone" card like you're whole ****ing life revolves around the internet. I don't know about anyone else, but I have a life outside of this ****ing thing I call my computer. Then people like Wilse wonder why he doesn't get sympathy. He wonders why he doesn't get the attention that he wants. The answer is simply because no one cares. I really don't care about what problems someone in another country is having.

I have a life outside of my computer and the internet. I advise many others to do the same.

[Dreamer]

You're right. I don't know anyone, nor do I care because this is the ****ing internet. You and Wilse sit there and play that "you don't know anyone" card like you're whole ****ing life revolves around the internet. I don't know about anyone else, but I have a life outside of this ****ing thing I call my computer. Then people like Wilse wonder why he doesn't get sympathy. He wonders why he doesn't get the attention that he wants. The answer is simply because no one cares. I really don't care about what problems someone in another country is having.

I have a life outside of my computer and the internet. I advise many others to do the same.

We all have lives outside of the net, the net is just supposed to be a place where we can go to escape the problems of everyday life.

But what I am saying is that none of us know him personally and we are not around him in person so none of us can really say much since we do not know him outside of the net.

He has problems in life and a life without problems would not be normal, once you become an adult old problems go away and then new ones come up... life is not ever going to be easy but we still have to go on and make the best of it anyway.

[Gravedigger]

We all have lives outside of the net, the net is just supposed to be a place where we can go to escape the problems of everyday life.

But what I am saying is that none of us know him personally and we are not around him in person so none of us can really say much since we do not know him outside of the net.

He has problems in life and a life without problems would not be normal, once you become an adult old problems go away and then new ones come up... life is not ever going to be easy but we still have to go on and make the best of it anyway.
Um...excuse me..."just supposed to be a place where we can go to escape the problems of everyday life".

No it's not and you know nothing about the internet if you think that's what it's supposed to be. I make money off the internet, I do homework off the internet. I do all kinds of things off the internet. Escape real life? The only people who escape the real world are people who can't handle it because they're weak.

Yes that's my opinion and exactly what I think. I come here to chat and enjoy myself sometimes, other times I come on here to run my business and make money. Other times I get online to do my homework. The Internet isn't supposed to be a place to escape problems in real life. It is like that for people who are weak and can't handle their problems themselves. So they come on here and take it out on other people.

[Dreamer]

Um...excuse me..."just supposed to be a place where we can go to escape the problems of everyday life".

No it's not and you know nothing about the internet if you think that's what it's supposed to be. I make money off the internet, I do homework off the internet. I do all kinds of things off the internet. Escape real life? The only people who escape the real world are people who can't handle it because they're weak.

Yes that's my opinion and exactly what I think. I come here to chat and enjoy myself sometimes, other times I come on here to run my business and make money. Other times I get online to do my homework. The Internet isn't supposed to be a place to escape problems in real life. It is like that for people who are weak and can't handle their problems themselves. So they come on here and take it out on other people.

No what I am saying is that people come online to enjoy themselves and let off some stress, Wilse had alot on his mind and felt he needed to let it all out and even if he did want attention or not I am sure some of us have been that way at one time or another, maybe not the same way but in some sort of fashion.

I think too much stress is what Wilse has right now, he needs to take a little time out to just relax and do things that he likes, maybe do some hobbies or something.

[legendaryken]

I didn't read all of the above, but I reckon we should give Wilse some space while he sorts things out at home and welcome him back whenever.

[Superman33]

I am sure some of us have been that way at one time or another, maybe not the same way but in some sort of fashion.I've never been to the point where I contemplated ****ing suicide.

[Funk]

Gravedigger, I know what you said and I know you were wrong.

On a brighter note, IOW = Smaller.

[Peoples King]

Wilse going to the internet to get away from real life......... Then why does he make threads asking for advice? Oh yes the King is blinged up beynd all belief. He is as sharp as a knife. Cutting through all the opposition. Woooooooooooooo!










What the hell was that about?

[TheMainMan25]

I've been reading this thread, at first just for laughs cause the **** was funny, then after reading Wilse and Trevor's conversation, I decided to offer some advice.

Wilse, I know that you think you have it as bad as can be right now. Trust me when I tell you that this is not the case. I grew up as the only black kid in an all white school and this was back in the 80's. I had to deal with a lot of bigotry and stupidity. I cried on quite a few occasions when I was younger and thought that things couldn't get any worse (I grew out of the crying and all). But I never withdrew into myself to berate...me. You creating a second account and insulting yourself is the 21rst century version of what kids used to do before computers...create an imaginary friend. This can be either not a big deal and you'll grow out of it, or you need some counseling (which you say that you're getting).

One thing that I'd like to say about guys looking at your girlfriend is...get used to it. That's just the ways guys are-you're just now learning that. Anytime you have a beautiful woman with you, men are going to look and leer and stare and proposition. If she's beautiful, why wouldn't they? You have to trust your girl to be with you. But the real truth is, you may not be together, or even be friends by the time you're 18. Simply because you lose contact. It'll hurt-worse than you know, but you'll survive.

Just remember not to freak out. Because if you think this is bad, wait until you get out in the real world and get a $30,000 bill that you can't pay because you have no job. Happened to me 3 years ago.

Keep your head up, big dog.

[SCOTT]

If This ****ing Bollocks Still Going On Topic Closed Grow Up For **** Sake.

[Peoples King]

People may mark for Scorch but personally I mark for Scott!

[Duff]

I disagree, i say that this thread hasnt run its course yet. If A Smod or Admin think i'm wrong,then close it again. It (apart from the music bit) has stayed on topic, and there have been no unneccesary flames, so why close it?

[Duff]

Actually, on second thoughts, that was a stupid idea. this thread is still closed

[SCOTT]

Actually, on second thoughts, that was a stupid idea. this thread is still closed

Yeah I think it was too....

[Peoples King]

Muhahahaha this is the thread that NEVER dies!