Has "Big Sexy" Kevin Nash still got it?

[Nightwish]

I think he has, I was watching a video on Youtube and he deafeted AJ Styles! If you ask me that's a huge nod in respect for him! People say that he is old and looks like shit in the ring! I don't think he does, I think that he still is the awesome man that he has always been and I think that a TNA title win would not hurt. Yeah he's old but so what? His legs are bad but I just think that he is still great and he is still my favorite wreslter of all time along with Kane! I thought that night when he powerbomed Sting and Kurt broke up the count, I thought Nash should have won the title there and then! Heck I thought that Nash should have won the title when he was in that Hell In The Cell match with Triple H. So IMO TNA should make him something before he leaves as he is now 48, surely he can't have long left can he? I mean he has to retire and some point.

His body must get warned down so I understand maybe this is the reason TNA so not give Nash a push as he would have to work a full scedule. But even so I believe that he should at least have one more shot at the "Big one" before he becomes way to old.

[Aperama]

I think that Kevin Nash was never a particularly talented wrestler. He's a better announcer/manager than he is a wrestler - and always has been. He's got a great personality, great voice, great charisma - but his actual wrestling style is severely limited by the fact that he's a token big man with severe leg problems.

I don't see him winning the TNA title, particularly given the way they seem to be going with it (the 'worked shoot' style - basically, strike/submission fests with a predetermined winner). He's never been the most technically sound worker, never been the worst either - I sincerely believe that he was worthy of everything he got.. ten years ago. And I still believe that the Outsiders is one of the all time greatest tag teams (probably top 20, higher end of the 11-20 bracket). But Nash himself is beyond it, and bringing him back for a full title reign at this point in his career would be borderline disrespectful.

[Nightwish]

Sorry but how the hell would it be disrespectful?

[Mike Adams]

I love what "The Silver Fox" Kevin Nash is doing in TNA, though I wish he was still back with the machine guns who could use him instead of being with Joe who really doesn't need it

[Aperama]

Asking a guy past his prime to take the lead of a company would be much like doing the same were it Hogan, or Antonio Inoki, or anyone else who is in his fifties, incredibly out of shape and past themselves. I guarantee you that Nash doesn't want to be world champ - he's perfectly happy so long as he's getting a lucrative deal with plenty of money. I like where he sits at present - a guy who they'll keep putting over, but only so he can then continue to help others out. And that's how he'd like to go out, I'll bet - putting another guy over, generating heat the whole way through. He's a worker, through it all.

[Duff]

Nash for champ? One of your fvourite wreslters along with Kane? This explains a lot.


Nash is great as a mouthpiece. Not great at much else.

[Nightwish]

Nash for champ? One of your fvourite wreslters along with Kane? This explains a lot.


Nash is great as a mouthpiece. Not great at much else.

I believe back in WCW he was the best they had, all I was saying in this post is that I believe after watching him wrestle is he's still got it!

[Duff]

define "it"

If by "it" you mean one of the following then you have a point:

The most limited moveset ever seen
an ability to injure hismelf while taking a bath
bad knees
little ability outside of being big
being over a decade ago
falling to the most ridiculous match ending in history
Being aprtially responsible for the fall of WCW.

[Nightwish]

"it" As in the ablity to still be a good worker, even though he is old I still think he was as good as he was when he was younger that's what I mean by "it"

[Duff]

it is impossible to still be something that you never were in the first place. Yes, he is still as good as he was when he was younger, that is to say not very.

[Nightwish]

Orginally posted by Duff
an ability to injure hismelf while taking a bath

He really did that?

[Rocketbusta]

He injured himself just walking across the ring.....I wouldn't put it passed him

[The Kid]

Kevin Nash is everything that is right with the world. As for title runs, I really don't think at this point that's the best idea. He was never a particularly sound worker (something he'll tell you straight up), but as a human being, Nash is one of the few wrestlers who isn't a mentally unbalanced degenerate.

[Rocketbusta]

As for title runs, I really don't think at this point that's the best idea.

Nash really has no need for another title nor has he done anything lately to warrent giving him another run. That said, also at his age I doubt he could hanle working as much as a champion usually does. From years of wear & tear in the ring I doubt he could hold up and it would be a waste to put the belt on him then for him to go and get injured.


Samoa Joe is the man for the belt right now(if he still has it, haven't seen impact in a while) and needs to have a decent run with it. Joe is a Heavyweight but with the speed and ablity of a cruiserweight which makes him great. Nash has size but is slow, has very limited moves and is injury prone.

Looking at both and I'm a booker.....I stick with Joe for now.

[Nightwish]

Nash really has no need for another title nor has he done anything lately to warrent giving him another run. That said, also at his age I doubt he could hanle working as much as a champion usually does. From years of wear & tear in the ring I doubt he could hold up and it would be a waste to put the belt on him then for him to go and get injured.


Samoa Joe is the man for the belt right now(if he still has it, haven't seen impact in a while) and needs to have a decent run with it. Joe is a Heavyweight but with the speed and ablity of a cruiserweight which makes him great. Nash has size but is slow, has very limited moves and is injury prone.

Looking at both and I'm a booker.....I stick with Joe for now.

Well only reason you don't like Nash is cause' he aint' like MVP, if he really does have a limted move set then he's a little like Cena....... who's more entertaining? Cena or Nash? Nash! Blake, I don't know how you sit there and say of these things about some of the greats but then you say MVP is greater and better then them..... it just don't make sense.

[The Kid]

MVP > most.

[Rocketbusta]

Well only reason you don't like Nash is cause' he aint' like MVP, if he really does have a limted move set then he's a little like Cena....... who's more entertaining? Cena or Nash? Nash! Blake, I don't know how you sit there and say of these things about some of the greats but then you say MVP is greater and better then them..... it just don't make sense.

Your putting words in my mouth again....I don't like Nash because of his limited ability and I don't find his ring work entertaining. Cena or Nash? In your opinion Nash is better but between the two I'll go with Cena because hes not a 7'0 immobile old man who should have long retired.

Remind me who is great? Nash?....maybe in fantasy land. Im not taking away from anything that he did in the past but he is far from "one of the greats".

MVP is one of the best out there today, hes a good to great worker and is only getting better but if some wish to sit in denial they may do so.

For the record I've never compared MVP to anyone.....its all made up in your head.

[Nightwish]

If MVP is one of the bests today (Which he isan't), there is a differance btween that and greatest of all time, he is not greater than Kane nor is he greater than Kevin Nash and that is a fact.

[JDK]

Nash more entertaining than Cena? Jesus I'd probably take Bret over Nash in terms of entertainment. Nash on the mic in his NWO days was alright, but that was ten years ago, and plus Scott Hall was the most charismatic in that group.

[Rocketbusta]

If MVP is one of the bests today (Which he isan't), there is a differance btween that and greatest of all time, he is not greater than Kane nor is he greater than Kevin Nash and that is a fact.

When did I ever call MVP the greatest of all time? I would never be stupid enough to make a statement like that.......the greatest all time is Flair hands down. Also saying that Nash and Kane are greater then MVP is all opinion based so it means nothing.

As far as who is a better worker(if thats what we are saying defines great) then MVP wipes the floor with Nash and Kane. Your mind is clouded by biased opinions and not actual working ability.

[Nightwish]

When did I ever call MVP the greatest of all time? I would never be stupid enough to make a statement like that.......the greatest all time is Flair hands down. Also saying that Nash and Kane are greater then MVP is all opinion based so it means nothing.

As far as who is a better worker(if thats what we are saying defines great) then MVP wipes the floor with Nash and Kane. Your mind is clouded by biased opinions and not actual working ability.

Flair being the greatest of all times is an opinion, and it can be dissagreed with........ Nash and Kane are far greater than MVP, MVP is not great as he's been around for what a year? People like Nash and Kane will go into hall of fame and Nash and Kane are greater than MVP not only have they been around longer but they have been champions for a few titles where as MVP has only won one title. When you say MVP is greater than Kane and Nash, you're miss understanding what your saying....... Think again the word GREATER THAN! No way that MVP is GREATER THAN Nash and Kane hands down.

[Aperama]

Okay, guys, let's keep this on topic. Splinter/Nightwish, you brought up MVP, a non-TNA superstar for no seeming reason. As this is the TNA board, and there's another conversation in WWE relating to MVP/Kane from not long ago (not to mention that Nash is a well-known WWE superstar), this conversation would clearly fit better in the WWE forums.

Career-wise, MVP and Kane have sold less merchandise combined, I would imagine, than Kevin Nash alone. If that's going to be considered a way of judging the validity of someone's career, then yes, Nash is a greater sales point than MVP. This doesn't make him a better worker in the slightest, of course - but I would be willing to call him a more hyped, more sought after worker than MVP, by all rights.

Now that I've sorted that, nobody talk more about who's better than who? It's just cock-size arguments for the smark community, really. Kevin Nash is and always has been a worker who gets by on crowd work - if we look back to his '05-'06 stuff against the X-Division, he was getting MASSIVELY over just by doing one or two wrestling moves. I remember this youtube video from a while back where he got a 'holy shit!' chant just from giving Jay Lethal an arm drag. He knows how to wrestle. All of them do. Whether they do it or not is their perogative.

[Nightwish]

Okay, guys, let's keep this on topic. Splinter/Nightwish, you brought up MVP, a non-TNA superstar for no seeming reason. As this is the TNA board, and there's another conversation in WWE relating to MVP/Kane from not long ago (not to mention that Nash is a well-known WWE superstar), this conversation would clearly fit better in the WWE forums.

Career-wise, MVP and Kane have sold less merchandise combined, I would imagine, than Kevin Nash alone. If that's going to be considered a way of judging the validity of someone's career, then yes, Nash is a greater sales point than MVP. This doesn't make him a better worker in the slightest, of course - but I would be willing to call him a more hyped, more sought after worker than MVP, by all rights.

Now that I've sorted that, nobody talk more about who's better than who? It's just cock-size arguments for the smark community, really. Kevin Nash is and always has been a worker who gets by on crowd work - if we look back to his '05-'06 stuff against the X-Division, he was getting MASSIVELY over just by doing one or two wrestling moves. I remember this youtube video from a while back where he got a 'holy shit!' chant just from giving Jay Lethal an arm drag. He knows how to wrestle. All of them do. Whether they do it or not is their perogative.

Reson I brung MVP into is it cause' Rocket says that MVP is greater than Nash and Kane, which I believe is bullshit....... Yeah you can't say somemone who has been in the buissness for like a year? Is greater than Nash and Kane who have both been wrestling for ages and have both atchived more than MVP, for him to sit there and say he is greater than them I think it's pathetic. MVP is just a cocky git who should just job and if he is the future of the WWE then I'm pretty gald to stick to the past.

[JDK]

You've got more chance seeing Owen wrestle Eddie for the TNA X Division title than seeing Nash in the H.O.F, sure back in the day he was good to watch, but name me five truly memorable matches of his. The NWO was a great angle for about 18 month before it turned into a huge joke.


the greatest all time is Flair hands down.

Yeah....sure.:laughing:

[Cripplerlock]

Ok because of time I will do the quick cliffnotes version of my response.

:soapbox: So the question is does Nash still got it.

Well for someone to still have it, that assumes he had it at an earlier time in his career. For you cannot have it in the present, if you did not have it in the past. . The problem with asking whether Nash still has it is he never really had it in the first place. Doesn't matter what version of Nash we are talking about. Whether we are talking about Oz, Vinnie Vegas, Diesel, NWO Nash, Wolfpack Nash, WWE part 2 Nash, or present day TNA grandpa Nash, I have never seen it from Nash. He has something that has helped him all these years, but that wasn't it. He has not used it but probably has abuse it, and if he really had it he did a good job hiding it. Nash has a lot of charisma and charm and he knew how to play the game before there was a game. However, when he steps inside the ring, he seemed to have lost it (if he ever had it in the first place) or he totally forgot how to use it. However, why does Nash care. He has gotten by without it for many years.

The other assumption here is if one ask if Nash still has it, that assume he knows and understands what it is. If you don't know and understand it, then how can one know if a wrestler has it. Can you dig it?

[HBK619]

To... many... its...

[Chaos]

Never mind, posted it in WWE forum.

[Nic]

I believe back in WCW he was the best they had

Yup, that's about right. WCW really did suck some massive balls back then.

[PerfectTommy]

Yup, that's about right. WCW really did suck some massive balls back then.

LOL.

Does anyone remember "Mad TV?" They used to do this skit about Kenny Rogers and him being a drunk. It was fucking hilarious. Everytime I see Nash on TV now, he reminds me of Kenny Rogers.

As far as Nash still having it, I have to agree with everyone else here and say that what he had the most of was Charisma. But... if you can, go back and watch some of his promos from the NWO/ WCW days. After being spoiled by the Rock, Stone Cold, Y2J, Foley, and rapper Cena, his promos suddenly weren't that good.