Edge: Face or Heel? *semi-spoiler*

[Mr. Business]

Now, as many of you know, there are many Edge haters out there. And to tell you the truth, I don't know why. Edge is pretty good in the ring and he's very over. Yet, on the net, he's hated by many. Why? The guy's got talent. I honestly don't see why people hate him.

But enough of that, let me talk about his alligment....

As many of you know, there have been rumors of a Edge heel turn. Saying that Edge will turn on Benoit, or he'll join La Resistance. Well I have to ask you this, what do you prefer Edge to be? A heel, or a face?

Me, I think that Edge should stay face for now. He's really over with the crowd and I'm loving the serious face charector that Edge has going. Edge's charector is basically, to win. Nothing else. He's not the goofy Edge, he's the "loner" Edge. Which I think is great.

So what do you want? Edge to stay face? Edge to turn heel? Why and why not?

Thoughts?

[james_aust]

Edge is NOTHING! He is not good enough for a main event push but in his stupid little head he thinks he can become world champion.. the boy's a joke.. a spear won't win you a main event push.. he should be on Smackdown going for the US Championship, he isn't even worthy of the IC.. and that's the facts.

[Peoples King]

Keep this spot warm, I'll be back in the morro with my thoughts. Its 2:56Am over here so you will forgive me. To be continued.

[The Pez]

You may think you've outdone me PK....but the jokes on you, I've moved out of my pink phase. Mwahahahahaha.

As for Edge........I don't know about the serious face. I don't like it. I think he should play the loner, and BE the loner. Have the guy be neutral and have matches with face and heel wrestlers.

James.....buddy, settle down!

[Orton Rko]

I think he should turn heel and be with Christian again.

[Roland]

Edge is NOTHING! He is not good enough for a main event push but in his stupid little head he thinks he can become world champion.. the boy's a joke.. a spear won't win you a main event push.. he should be on Smackdown going for the US Championship, he isn't even worthy of the IC.. and that's the facts.
I'm glad I'm not the only wrestling fan who thinks he's terrible :thumsdown for edge.

[Mr. Business]

Edge is NOTHING!

Thanks for explaining how....


He is not good enough for a main event push but in his stupid little head he thinks he can become world champion..

1.) Thanks for explaining why he can't be in main events.

2.) And two, where did it ever say that Edge thinks he can be World Champion? From what I've read at websites, Edge is a very nice man. So I don't know what your talking about.


the boy's a joke.. a spear won't win you a main event push.. he should be on Smackdown going for the US Championship, he isn't even worthy of the IC.. and that's the facts.

Again, thanks for explaining.

And how are those facts? You didn't back up anything. I could easily say "Chris Benoit sucks and Rikishi rules!!!!! And thats a fact". Try to back up some of your opinions.

[Peoples King]

*Yawn* Im awake and refreshed and ready to DISCUSS this whole Edge issue. NO bashing, no hating, just some good ol' fashioned conversation. Something I am hoping, no praying that, my other posters would also like some discussion. So then onto Edge my little buttercups.............

Ever since returning Edge just hasnt been quite there. No matter what way you cut it he is just missing something. It doesnt help that he hasnt been given any real time on the mic to get his new character over. The writing team have thrown Edge out there, made him Spear Bisch and then expect the WWE fans to just except him as the next coming. It doesnt work that way. Right now Edge's face hs no depth, no real motive and is just being thrown into "feuds" without any prior thought.

His return was a joke. Edge Spears Bisch and then is put into a "feud" with Kane. What was the point? There was no heat between Kane and Edge. Every week Edge would come out and Spear Kane but no one really was interested. Sure he got pops but alot of the time those pops came from the "Edge is hot" fans. So straight off the bat Edge is handled incorrectly.

Next up the creative team decide to stick the titles on Edge and Beniot. A good idea if handled correctly but nope not this time. They should have taken this chance to give Edge alot of air time and then get him over as a serios take no **** face. Just appearing in matches doesnt cut it anymore. A few backstage interviews, two or three in ring promo's would have done wonders for Edge.

Right now Edge's character isnt going anywhere really. The last few months have just been bland as bland can be. The Creative team havent done much to convince the world that Edge is a top tier wrestler. But all the blame cant fall onto them. It also falls onto the wrestler.

Since his return Edge hasnt set the world on fire. Now yes the case can be made that he is just back and it will take a whie for him to work off ring rust but still I was expecting to see Edge at a higher level. Sure he is buffed up but there are enough big boys in the WWE as is. His match at BackLash wasnt given enough time but even at that Edge and Kane looked uncomfortable with one another. For me the timing just wasnt there and considering Kane's talent I think alot of the blame can fall on Edge. Not all of it, there were two men in that match. Since then Edge hasnt done much to impress. He had a decent outing against Randy Orton but still not of the standard you would expect a main eventer to be at.

Edge is a spot wrestler. He starts off the match hitting a few moves then gets dominated before hitting his big three finale moves. Thats spot wrestling and dont get me wrong it can get you over but Edge needs something more. Edge hasnt developed all that much since 2001 when he was just starting to get a HEAVY main event push. In 2002 Edge was having some great matches vs Angle, Jericho(Cage match on Smackdown) and Eddie but take him away from those men and he wasnt all that impressive. He did develop mat skills but he still couldnt get away from the cheap spots.

Since returning Edge has been overly reliant on the spots. He hasnt told a story in the ring yet. What Edge needs is a high profile feud with a high profile talent, outisde of the World title picture. Unfortunately for him all the high HIGH profile talent are faces, Jericho and HBK. So in other words Edge needs a heel turn. He needs to be heel to truely get over with the crowd and lets face it alot of non-internet wrestling fans would be shocked. I can garuntee you a heel Edge could garner alot of heat. His character needs that Edge, that mean streak, that heel feel. He needs a good three month feud with maybe Jericho. Jericho is the top baby face on Raw outside of the World title picture. A series with Jericho would help Edge develop his heel persona and his style.

Nine months down the road it is quite possible for the WWE to turn Edge back to a face but right now Edge and the WWE need him as a heel. His career will go foreward alot quicker if he were a heel. As a face I dont Edge can make it, as a heel I believe he can be hated.

[Unknown]

PK, I agree with everything you said. Right now the only thing that will save him is a heel turn. The spot filled match style gets old really fast which is why so many people get on Edge for his in ring skills. The only problem is that if they turn Edge the only choices for feuds would be HBK, Jericho, and Benoit. HBK will be taking time off so the only two options for the WWE would be Jericho and Benoit. Logic would say to have him feud with Jericho first but the WWE has dug itself into a hole. There aren't any other main event heels for Benoit to have a singles feud with right now other than HHH who is likely being saved for SS. Benoit's only choice for a feud right now would be Edge. Their feud has the basic backstory of a feud with friends becoming enemies though so that will seem rather bland. Also, Edge hasn't really established himself as a top level star just yet. The feud can be booked and booked properly if they are careful.

I posted this in another thread, "I can easily see this ending up being a match at the PPV. After Bad Blood Edge could ask for a title shot against Benoit. He could then agree and the two would build their feud kind of like the Brock/Angle feud in that they would continue along as friends until Edge gets jealous of Benoit getting the spotlight and ends up assaulting Benoit. Edge could then cut a promo the next week saying that he is sick and tired of hearing about how great of a champion Benoit is. He could say that when they were tag champs, he cared about the titles and did so much more for the team than Benoit did. He could say that it tore him apart that they lost the belts but that over time he started to get over it and realize how self absorbed Benoit is which makes him glad that he speared Benoit a couple of weeks back. I considered Benoit a friend but in this business having friends like Chris Benoit won't get you to where you want to be which is the champion. I continued to ask Benoit for title shots and he would always say that he had a lot on his plate right now and that he'd think about it. To me, that was just him being scared because he knew in his heart that I was a threat for his world title. Now that he has finally given me a shot, I don't need to have him as a friend of mine. Now, it's time for me to take what is rightfully mine which is the World Heavyweight Championship. I have been on the shelf with a neck injury for over a year. Last year at No Way Out Benoit and I were supposed to be part of a six man matchup. I never made it to that matchup though. I was attacked backstage by someone. I was later informed by an anonymous source that it was Benoit that did it to me. I questioned why he would do something like that to me. He knew I was a rising star over on Smackdown and that I threatened his chance of becoming champion. Look at him now, he's world champion and I'm not. My whole life is about that belt. I have busted my ass to get to the top of this business and there is no way I am going to allow Chris Benoit to stop me. He tried his best but I am still here. Not only am I here but I am now the number one contender for the WWE Championship. Benoit, You made the biggest mistake of your life giving me a shot at the title. Not only will I take what I've worked my whole life to get in the World Heavyweight title but I will destroy your career the same way you almost did to mines. That would establish heat for the feud and would get Edge over as a ruthless heel and a credible World Heavyweight title contender. Benoit could then cut a promo on Edge sometime to get himself over as more than a one dimensional champion. If they were to have this feud and lay it out like this, I feel that the title will get back into the spotlight (unlike the way they have it now with Kane and Benoit) and that both men will be solidified as main eventers."

Since this is what the WWE seems to be heading towards, they should atleast book it in a way for both men to have a feud comparable to Brock and Angle. Benoit would go over giving the title and himself more credibility as top dog but Edge would have built enough steam in the feud to be considered a threat as top heel. He could then bring that steam over into a feud with Chris Jericho which could also help Jericho solidify a top babyface spot. Edge would have to take some real time trying to change up his in ring style though.

[Peoples King]

Your right Unknown the WWE have dug themselves into a hole. It woudl have been easier had they actually kept Kane as a credible top tier heel but his feud right now with Beniot is a joke. The only real action between the two was on last Mondays Raw.

I didnt think I'd say this but if Beniot takes on Orton into Vengence it does give the WWE a good chance to keep things ticking until SummerSlam time. Edge cant go against Beniot, he isnt ready. Even their friendship is badly put togeather. On Raw Edge and Beniot were ripping each other apart.

Ever since returning Edge has been badly booked but he has done little or nothing to show that he deserves a Main Event spot. He needs the Jericho feud not only to give him crediblity but to help him develop a new style. If I were the WWE I would have Jerihco and Edge feud into Venegence and then into SummerSlam. This gives Edge a chance with a top tier talent and makes the fans think, "Hey he is actually at that level."

So I say Beniot/Orton going into Vengence just to keep things alive and kicking and then Edge/Jericho the other big match up. Of course nothing is stopping WWE from making it Beniot/Edge/Jericho now that is a match I would pay to see.

[Unknown]

Your right about that one. That would be an excellent matchup at the PPV. It would keep them from making the Benoit/Edge feud and would set the plans in motion for a Jericho/Edge feud. I think they could still turn him heel through my explanation. They could have what I said being a highlight reel segment. Jericho could ask Edge why he turned on Benoit like that and Edge could say what I posted before. Jericho could then say do you know who Chris Benoit is? Do you know what kind of battle you are about to have? Benoit and I have had our series of rivalries along the way and that's not a man whose bad side you want to get on. Edge could then say that who is Jericho to ask him something like that. You may be the first Undisputed Champion but look at you now? You have no gold around your waste and you haven't main evented a PPV in months. Jericho let's face it, you're nothing now but a shell of your former self. You are a disgrace to Canada. Jericho could then say a disgrace to Canada? Then he'd start laughing then he'd attack Edge. Bischoff would then come out and say that's enough. It's obvious that you two want to get your hands on each other. It's also obvious to me Jericho that you want the World Heavyweight Championship as much as Edge does so I'll tell you what I'm going to do. At Vengeance it will be Edge vs. Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho.

That would be a pretty good way to set the match up while at the same time saving both Benoit/Edge and Jericho/Edge. For this to work, HHH will have to feud with Benoit going into Summerslam which means that HHH will end up with the title belt following Summerslam. I don't think that would be a wise decision on the WWE's part. HHH's character is so much more interesting without the belt and it would be nice to see another superstar take the belt off of Benoit when he drops it so it doesn't look like a repeated cycle with HHH holding the belt then any face superstar and back to HHH. If anything, the next person to hold the belt on Raw should be either Jericho or a a heel Rhyno (if he gets a push or if he doesn't go back to SD which I would rather happen to him not that they'll do it).

[TooGood2Btrue]

i agree in part with both of you but i think that Edge as a face still has something good if they slowly get him away from Benoit and the title.

I believe that a good step is to pair him with Shelton, because God knows he needs to get over too, but not as a tag partner but as a partner against Evolution. Shelton needs the long feud with Orton and take the title from Orton after SS. so Edge could be watching Benjamin's back. The trick is Edge makes the save some times and fends off Evolution but doesn't gets too friendly with Benjamin, you know always taking care of him at the distance.

This way Edge faces the "other" evolution young star, a feud that would work for Edge is Batista, who by the way needs a singles feud. Think about it, Batista is a "monster" thus he is a brawler a feud with him lets him take off some ring rust, because the matches wont be so technical and the spear wont do the trick on Batista so he'll have to find another way to beat him.

After Benjamin gets the title then Edge turns on him and faces him for the IC Belt.

[TheMainMan25]

I'm gonna catch so much heat for this that I'm debating whether or not to even say it, but the Main Man has a quick and easy solution. Trade his ass back to Smackdown. It could come out of nowhere and they could make up any old reason they want. The current fueds get dropped, and everyone goes home happy.

****runs away****