Did WPW go too far?

[Snowman]

To be honest, the debate is in the TNT thread but I thought I should make a poll because I am curious to see how many people find this acceptable.

[Duff]

Right, what i can't understand from all of you is why you are objecting. You say WPW has gone too far, but you have yet to state in what way we did this. We ran a storyline, and in that storyline someone died. Can someone please explain to me how that might be construed as offensive? I just really really don't see what the ground for objection is, so can you at least try to explain to us what exactly it is you are objecting to rather tnan just coimng out with a statement like "WPW has gone too far"

[APostingGod]

That's all I want to know too, why is it too far. Morally please tell me. Duff's just nicer about it ;)

[Duff]

Actually, i'm going to close this thread, unless Judge can see a vlid reason for re-opening it. People are entitled to voice their opinions or say whther they agree or not, but they can do so in the TNT thread. The poll serves no purpose, as regardless of what people think, it can't be changed now.

[The Judge]

I wouldn't object to this being open, because I honestly do want to know why people think the death of a character in an e-fed is too far, while death in any form of fiction is perfectly fine. Are we under the impression Legend was in the dark about his character dying?

[Duff]

ok, i'll re-open it, but this thread, with it's intitial title and poll won't achieve anything. It serves no purpose other than to start a second thread to discuss something that is already being discuseed.

However, it does make it easier for people who are offended by it to respond to my question.

[APostingGod]

Honestly, all ideas that arn't the standard are controversial, we knew this would take some heat. Everything new and different does. This was all predicted and pretty much part of the storyline. Of course people will feel outrage, you think there isn't a group about everything in the world. Violent Video games, wrestling, sex, TV... everything. We expected this... it's part of the idea of pursuing it. People are reading and participating, people are thinking and debating.. it's one of the early ideas... I just want to have the chance for someone to explain what makes this different than anythng else?

[DjM]

Honestly, I'm not sure if WPW went too far. When I first read it, I was extremely shocked, and ready to just walk away from the fed altogether. After sitting back and reading what people have had to say, I'm not too sure. Personally, although I don't agree with death being a part in wrestling or in efeds, I think I'm going to wait and see how, and where this goes before I pass any major judgment. I just think you guys have to remember that this is an extremely controversial and very touchy subject, and that you now have to do what you've said you're going to do and treat it as tastefully as possible. I still stick by the idea that whether or not this is real or not, deaths in wrestling are very different to a death in CSI or Die Hard or anything like that. Because in programs or movies like that, thats what you expect. It's a major part in the plot of each episode, or movie and it wouldn't make much sense without it. In wrestling, death is something that everyone in the respective company tries as hard as they can to prevent. Because of my feelings towards the subject, and death as a whole, I'm gonna have to vote yes I'm afraid...sorry.

[Sunshine]

I see nothing offensive about it. Death is not a joking manner when it's real life. But WPW is completely fictional so it's all in good fun, and it'll bring the ratings in. WWE did it recently and lived to regret it but it's not like Duff does a bunch of steroids to keep his job and will end up killing his wife and son to make the writers of this storyline feel like a bunch of idiots. Death is a completely natural thing, and people die all the time.

They didn't go too far, but maybe a bit too early because of the recent Benoit tragedy. I guess some people still have a hard time swallowing it in because I bet this controversy wouldn't have even been brought up had the Benoit tragedy not occurred.

[Scorch]

Benoit or not, I still would not be a fan of the storyline, it has no impact on my opinion, it is simply something I do not like. On that same note, I voted it did not go too far, because I do not consider my personal enjoyment of things the line.

[Philly]

WPW didn't go too far.

But there is a point I want to make. CSI, Law and Order. They are both works of fiction where death being portrayed is accepted. Hell, its expected. But wrestling, not accepted generally. Wrestling is more about telling stories of people disliking eachother for a few months, they fight it out in some weird-stipulated match, then go their seperate ways. Its not about people dying and watching the wrestlers handle it.

So there are a few ways to look at it. From Judges point of view, where since death is ok in one fictional event, its ok in ALL of them. Its valid, but not logical for wrestling.
Or you can look at it like I did and say that wrestling is not designed for this. However, the hole in my way of thinking is that he died in the ring. Its an accident. This is also a hole in TJ's, because TJ said that its fiction, so death is cool. But its being portrayed like an accident. Unless Judge means that the planning out an accidental death is fiction. E-fedding is weird like that, you have to plan out an accident.


But thats excactly what this is...an E-Fed! No one actually died, legend himself didn't die, and he knew it was coming. Yes, death should NOT be portrayed in wrestling, but it was an accident. If this happened in real life, no one would be critisizing Vince McMahon for the accident, just like they didn't for Owen Hart. If we want WPW to be as realistic as possible, you have to have mistakes. Every wrestler has screwed a match up at least once, even Triple H, Kane, Samoa Joe, Stone Cold...the list goes on forever. But what I mean when I say no one will critisize Vince is that...pretened WPW is real for a moment. Say a wrestler actually died in this manner last week, and you watched it on TV. Would you call it Bad Taste because someone slipped out of another's arms? No. Why do it now? Thats why WPW didn't go too far. Because if this was WWE it wouldnt be too far, so how come for WPW it is?

[Darth Vader]

WPW didn't go too far. This is an E-Fed, main point is to having fun as far as my opinion. Even Vince McMahon died, which was not for real. But Ben dying was never an issue which we can consider as WPW going too far.

[~Reaper~]

Yes!
(for the heck of it :P)

[Prometheus]

I think a better question for us all to mill over is, is this really a good idea just as a general storyline? I mean, possibly it is and I'm sure APG would definately say so. But there can be doubts, and in my mind there are. Does everyone really want to have the direction of their rps taken the same way as everyone elses? Can we all handle talking about death in our rps? Can we all talk about a man who for four months was treated as live laughing stock? I don't have a problem personally but I really can't find the motivation to do it myself and as it stands now, the two memorial rps are from two men directly involved in formulating this plan.

Not to shit on this plan because I don't mind the death at all, Its like the last few plays I've done.. Hell MY character ended up dead! But someone dying might not be the only pothole we hit here, we need to think about everythign else. Example: How the show might faulter in this new, and wierd, territory of a tribute show? Can we as writers write an entire match with no face or heel commentary action with Max and Daniel? Can we even write Max without him being an idiot? Can we as readers get at all invovled in something liek this upcoming TNT?

THAT might be our problem soon enough..

[The Judge]

I feel that, and this is our oppertunity to grow as writers Prometheus. To deal with the unexpected, just as death usually is.

One thing we all need to accept is one day, who knows when, but one day there will be a thread, somoene will PM me or Duff, or we'll find out by some other means that a member of WPW has passed away. Eventually, everyone we know is going to die sometime, so maybe it's good practice to divulge into the emotion now, so when it happens it's not so nastily unfamiliar, like it has been for a few of the unlucky here already.

[Mike Adams]

Also, not to center this on myself, but when I was presented with the idea it seemed like an interesting concept to expand the character of Brock Goodman and my skills as a writer for RPs...as well as matches

[legendaryken]

Not in the slightest.

(Still think my original idea - oh, ten months back - of 'killing off' the Jokester, only to have him run in during the last match of his own tribute show to win a title works far better)
(if that's what's planned for Ben, you had better delete this immediately......and give me a creative consultancy credit)

[Mr. Long]

You could have a substitute announcer (or multiple announcers) in place of Max and/or Daniel. Maybe have a couple of wrestlers or John Elliot and Nathan Scott sub in for him this week.

[Mr. Hendrickson]

Its just the timing of the situation at hand that has a lot of people up in arms. I say yes for tht mere fact and none other. I have had death in feds I have ran but still timing. I also want to say the ABWA will be stong at the TNT show.. Anti-Ben Whynamn Association. Shirts will be coming out soon :) Heels are so fun.

[Snowman]

What they gonna say?

"I DID IT"

I don't understand what you mean.

[The Judge]

*sniff* It's too soon for jokes guys *sniff*

Ah hell, fuck it. I think they should say "I did it for The bRock"

[Mike Adams]

you think thats bad i was all ready to post the lyrics to dust in the whynd

[Mike Corral]

One thing we all need to accept is one day, who knows when, but one day there will be a thread, somoene will PM me or Duff, or we'll find out by some other means that a member of WPW has passed away. Eventually, everyone we know is going to die sometime, so maybe it's good practice to divulge into the emotion now, so when it happens it's not so nastily unfamiliar, like it has been for a few of the unlucky here already.

I just gotta ask this question.

Say for example...... SiNN dies in real life. What would happen to SiNN (the character), Amanda, and 2?

[APostingGod]

Let's just hope that happens.

[The Judge]

Well it would be different for everyone, but most likely...

SiNN would have an off screen death, but I doubt we'd put too much tribute to the character of SiNN, because most of it would be centered around Jede the poster, which would far overshaow his character's.

2 Would probally revert back to Ryan, or simply fade away.

Amanda Rhyme would revert back to me, or fade away.

[APostingGod]

I got a question. Prom... who do we go with? The charater or the poster? Do we contact his life partner?

[AFalseSinn]

you know when he started to ask that question i had a feeling i would be the one to die...which i probably will be the first one to die.

not sure if judge was taking a shot at me with the SiNN not being worth shit, but then making up for it by saying he would say stuff about me.
im sure it would be a laugh riot though.

no we didnt go to far

[APostingGod]

Might I add I was kidding, if Jede died I would cry like a little bitch.

[The Judge]

Why do people keep thinking I'm taking shots? If you died Jede, no offense, but I wouldn't give a fuck about SiNN. SiNN is a fictional character, where as your my friend, and SiNN would just be mentioned as an after thought if that.

[Mike Corral]

if Jede died I would cry like a little bitch.

I would too. I will admit I would cry myself to sleep.

And Jede, I only used you because you were the first person I could think of that has multiple characters, and I wondered what would heppen with those characters. Forgot about Adams and myself for a moment.

[AFalseSinn]

its ok, i forgive you all.

yesterday i kept getting this feeling i was going to be shot, and then a coworkers daughter called and said she needed to come get her grandaughter quickly cause a dude with a shotgun had just come into the house and threatened them before taking off....

guess who got to follow the boss in the bosses car while the boss drove her there in her car...yeah me

luckly the police had already grabbed teh guy, or i would have probably been laid up right now missing my flight!

again no, we didnt go to far