What Does the WWE need to get rid of??

[Roland]

Well, while people in the past have said get rid of the Show, or people. What do they need to become the number 1 watched show on Monday nights or just help there show altogether. I think they should finally end the split.

What do you think???

[james_aust]

Yeah.. well it is about time they ended the split.. unify the WWE & World Chapions and US & Intercontinental as well as Tag-Team.. the time has come for it to end.. perhaps they could have a big lead up to the end with ONE GM Winning at Survivor Series.. this way they have build up and finally an end to the Split.. it isn't needed any more.. get rid of unused talent and merge the shows.. THE TIME IS NIGH!

[The Great One]

I don't think it is a good idea to end the brand split. Keep that and just do another trade and give Smackdown more star power.

[12]

What does the WWE need to git rid of? It's not that they really need to get rid of anything just shuffle things up again.
Ending the brand split would not be a good idea. Smackdown is going througha rough patch much like Raw did when Steiner and then Nash wer challenging H for the belt. Since then the situations have changed admittedly. The thing I think could be the savior of Smackdown is The cruiserweights. When we watch a fast paced natch like London vs. Noble on Velocity the quality of the match speaks for itself, it doesnt really nee some obscure storyline (voodoo, anyone?) or "extreme" characters. If they could just put a couple of cruiserweights in every show then Smackdown would be a vast improvement. And have a number one contenders tournament if they can't be btohered to give us a storyline then at least we are gaurenteed to see them on TV.This of course would have to coinside with putting the belt back on Chavo Jnr and removing all traces of joke storylines, they don't need them witht the talent they have got.

The stars that shold come over to Smackdown form Raw to boost Mainevent and midcard should be:
The Huricane: He should be with the crusiers
Steneir/Test: Make them a tag team since they are both fit again and ut them on SD
Matt Hardy: Has kind of been wasted on Raw and was a real solid nidcarder on SD
Edge: He wants to be a maineventer, so bring him to Smackdown and let him.

[Kandy]

I don't think it is a good idea to end the brand split. Keep that and just do another trade and give Smackdown more star power.
I completely agree with you on that one. If they end the split, ALOT of superstars will end up without matches, and most likely in the unemployment line.
I think the WWE made a HUGE mistake when they had the draft lottery. By trading Triple H back to RAW they took a ton of star power away from Smackdown! and handed RAW the ratings on a silver platter (IMO). WWE needs to find a way to give Smackdown! some big name stars from RAW.
Also, IMO, the writing staff for Smackdown! seems to be slacking off *coughs*Cruiserweight title*coughs*. There needs to be some SERIOUS backstage work in order to bring Smackdown! to the same level that RAW is on.

[Unknown]

I agree with the majority on that they don't need to end the split. You actually get the feel that they are two separate shows unlike when it started. What I think they need to do is repair SD in a big way. *Plug* Check out my Reshuffling the Deck thread in the Smackdown forum. IMO that would send them on the righ track of saving the show.

[Roland]

I completely agree with you on that one. If they end the split, ALOT of superstars will end up without matches, and most likely in the unemployment line.
I think the WWE made a HUGE mistake when they had the draft lottery. By trading Triple H back to RAW they took a ton of star power away from Smackdown! and handed RAW the ratings on a silver platter (IMO). WWE needs to find a way to give Smackdown! some big name stars from RAW.
Also, IMO, the writing staff for Smackdown! seems to be slacking off *coughs*Cruiserweight title*coughs*. There needs to be some SERIOUS backstage work in order to bring Smackdown! to the same level that RAW is on.

This is a business Stand Point why in the world would WWE care about unemployment of certain wrestlers. They care about Ratings 1st and always and if they want to get back to the way they used to be, end the split. And stop trying to please fans by building up division like the Cruiserweights, no thats a terrible Idea, sucess in the business always comes from Heavyweights and Middleweights. They need to end the split and start developing new characters for some of there younger guys.

[Orton Rko]

I don't think they should end the split but I think they should have another draft and not like the joke of a draft they had not too long ago.

[Roland]

They could continue to have drafts but I really think it would bore the fans.

[Peoples King]

Maybe this shoud have been named, "Get Rid of the Split."

For the one billionth time, and hopefully the last, let me tell you that it would be the most retarded decision the WWE could ever make if they ended the brand split. It defies logic. At the moment the WWE has never had a better roster. Sure Smackdown doesnt look all that great BUT when you look at the guys that are on that show you realise just how big the talent there is. They just need to be built into future stars. Away from that, end the split and all those wrestlers like RVD, Booker T, Christian and so many more would just become after thoughts. There isnt room for the WWE to have the rosters joint. With the rosters joint you are talking about 100 guys all going for the same spot, titles etc. You cant do that.

Things are much better the way they are, trust me. Otherwise the net would be full of threads, "Why Doesnt the WWE have two sperate shows." You have to think these things through. I woudl go into this more but at this stage in my interneting career I have become bored of the same old threads being brought up.

[Roland]

Maybe this shoud have been named, "Get Rid of the Split."

For the one billionth time, and hopefully the last, let me tell you that it would be the most retarded decision the WWE could ever make if they ended the brand split. It defies logic. At the moment the WWE has never had a better roster. Sure Smackdown doesnt look all that great BUT when you look at the guys that are on that show you realise just how big the talent there is. They just need to be built into future stars. Away from that, end the split and all those wrestlers like RVD, Booker T, Christian and so many more would just become after thoughts. There isnt room for the WWE to have the rosters joint. With the rosters joint you are talking about 100 guys all going for the same spot, titles etc. You cant do that.

Things are much better the way they are, trust me. Otherwise the net would be full of threads, "Why Doesnt the WWE have two sperate shows." You have to think these things through. I woudl go into this more but at this stage in my interneting career I have become bored of the same old threads being brought up.

Well No the topic shouldn't be called get rid of the split why because, I also had mixed feeling of hoping they get rid of Cruiserweights. I realized that the split works in some sort of way but not if your trying to upgrade an always declining cruiserweight division. People continue to bash people the big athletes like Show and Albert (Now maybe Albert deserves it). But thats not the Problem WWE is the Problem for starting up a Cruiserweight division and taking time away from the Money Players of the future, Yes WWE Future is probably Brighter than ever in the future but with Cruiserweight we will never see them reach there potetial, we will never see the greatness of IC Champs or Heavyweight Champs. I love a lot of the young talent in Cena, Benjamin, Orton, Dupree, and some of the others but make the WWE to fit the Heavyweight and Middleweight and there Cards will look a lot better while the Cruiserweight Division go to another promotion.

[Peoples King]

I cant see where you are getting that from. The Cruiserweight divsion gets zero coverage from WWE. Some of the most talented guys on the roster are Cruisers but havent been given a chance to shine. The Heavyweight dominate the WWE's programmeing. May I remind you that HBK is more or less a Cruiserweight, one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Beniot is 220 which makes him a Cruiser.There are guys like Moore, Kiddman, Noble, London who deserve alot more coverage but dont get it.

Wrestling is evolving, you can see it on the indie circut. Indies have a bigger impact on the main stream then you'd think. Hardcore style came due to ECW which was an indie until it got big. On the indie circuit they are shying away from the big massive guys and going for the pure athletes, the AJ Styles, American Dragon etc. I ike my big men as much as the next guy. You wouldnt think it but I appreciate what they do and how they bring something different to the table.

Cena, Orton, Dupree and Benjamin are dominating the WWEs TV product. When was the last time you saw a Cruiserweight cut a 20 mintue promo. The Cruisers, Middleweights and Heavyweight all play a role in making the WWE great.

[Roland]

The thing is get rid of them all together it could be use for useful athletes. I could careless about Benoit being the size of a cruiserweight, does he wrestle in that division no. They use lightweight in there division and there was no time where lightweight have ever generated money for Big Promotion so why now, why even have matches. Get rid of it. They might not be giving them a lot of time but they shouldn't give them any time at all.

[Unknown]

They don't generate money? So you don't consider Rey Mysterio one of SD's top draws? The man's merchandise ends up in the top ten on Shopzone.com almost all of the time. The thing about the cruiserweight division is that it offers an alternative to the regular styles of wrestling which is why people take notice and fans love them so much. They do things that you can't even imagine possible at times. The X factor that they bring to the show caters to different types of fans which makes Smackdown a wrestling show for all wrestling fans (that is if they start booking it properly). If anything they would bring in money and fans. People who are fans of the lucha libre style would take to the show if they saw some of this kind of action on it and that one cruiser match on a PPV may be the only reason they buy it. When the WWF was killing WCW in the ratings, probably the only thing that kept fans coming back were the cruisers. They were always one of the constants in WCW and they can be on Smackdown if used right. You can't use an argument that they won't be elevated into the stars of tomorrow because that argument immediately becomes weak when you mention Eddie Guerrero. He was once a cruiser who is now one of the best and most respected superstars in the WWE. He is proof that cruisers can make it to the main event level. All in all just as People's King said, they play a role in making the WWE great. Variety is something that will keep fans around and bring in new ones.

[Peoples King]

May I remind you that one of the reason wCw was on top was because it mixed Cruiserweight with the Heavyweights. The Cruisers are the best athletes in wrestling most of the time. I think they could get rid of the title belt and just let the Cruisers go after the US title but alot of the time Cruisers steel the show.

Like I said earlier wrestling is evolving and in fives years the Chris Daniels, AJ Styles etc are going to be the big money makers.

[Roland]

They Generate Money, but why have them when they can generate more if they get rid of them. There was a reason why, when they battled WCW all those years WWE came out on top because they have to worry about trying to see the lightweight or bringing in lightweights. The first thing thats comes to mind when thinking of Great Wrestlers are Hogan, Hart, Benoit, Harley Race(Eventhough I wasn't around in his time) , Flair not Juventud Geurrero. So get rid of them and let them wrestle in Japan.

[Roland]

May I remind you that one of the reason wCw was on top was because it mixed Cruiserweight with the Heavyweights. The Cruisers are the best athletes in wrestling most of the time. I think they could get rid of the title belt and just let the Cruisers go after the US title but alot of the time Cruisers steel the show.

Like I said earlier wrestling is evolving and in fives years the Chris Daniels, AJ Styles etc are going to be the big money makers.

Well last time I checked WWF ran WCW outta of Business and WWE to my knowledge didn't have a division for the Lightweights such as the cruiserweight division. Well I'll finish this tomorrow. Peace All

[Peoples King]

Hart=220
Beniot=220
Flair='ed 220

All Cruiserweight and all great athletes. The reaons wCw went udner was because all of the bull**** backstage politics that Hogan, Nash, Steiner, Luger and others took part in. The Heavyweight refused to job and thus wCw had no control over its Heavyweight wrestlers and so it went belly up.

Beniot wrestled in Japan as a Cruiserweight and it made him into what he is today. He was originally a Cruiserweight but made the jump to Hevayweight wrestling because North America has this idea that big fat slow bastards are what make wrestlers, damn I just described Hogan.

I hate to say this but anyone that can just disregard a certain form of wrestling so easily is, well, ignorant. I appreciate the Cruisers, Heavys and Super Heavys because they all play a big role in wrestling. I appreciate the work that each group does because without one doing the opposite to the other, this would be a very boring thing to watch.

You are coming at this from the wrong angle. You cant just dismiss Cruisers because that is just like people dismissing the Big Show, who has stepped up his game greatly this year. I keep on saying that the future of wrestling is going down the light, athletic route and you fail on every occasion to take me up on that point.

Give me on me good and sold reason to get rid of them. Dont say money because Unknown proved you wrong on that already.

[Roland]

They don't generate money? So you don't consider Rey Mysterio one of SD's top draws? The man's merchandise ends up in the top ten on Shopzone.com almost all of the time. The thing about the cruiserweight division is that it offers an alternative to the regular styles of wrestling which is why people take notice and fans love them so much. They do things that you can't even imagine possible at times. The X factor that they bring to the show caters to different types of fans which makes Smackdown a wrestling show for all wrestling fans (that is if they start booking it properly). If anything they would bring in money and fans. People who are fans of the lucha libre style would take to the show if they saw some of this kind of action on it and that one cruiser match on a PPV may be the only reason they buy it. When the WWF was killing WCW in the ratings, probably the only thing that kept fans coming back were the cruisers. They were always one of the constants in WCW and they can be on Smackdown if used right. You can't use an argument that they won't be elevated into the stars of tomorrow because that argument immediately becomes weak when you mention Eddie Guerrero. He was once a cruiser who is now one of the best and most respected superstars in the WWE. He is proof that cruisers can make it to the main event level. All in all just as People's King said, they play a role in making the WWE great. Variety is something that will keep fans around and bring in new ones.

Yes Eddie is a great point and maybe I should of said it different Lighweights, Rey is a Cruiserweight but he would never be never be a legitimate MiddleWeight. You guys see the names thats are jumping out of my hat but yet you continue to point out Eddie and Chris. I loved watching these two and they add a lot to the sport. For me I'm a fan of Technical Wrestling and Grapple and the skills on the Mic, but if you see WWE selected Cruiser Weght not WCW or any Japan organization they don't use a majority of Benoits, Guerreros, they use the sizes of Mostly Meysterio and just a little bit Heavier. Maybe I should have said lightweights. When you name guys like AJ Styles and Paul London those guys can win compete with the big guys. And I few of the other Mid weights like Orton, Cena and Benoit, I take those guys serious because they will, at least you can make guys like London and Styles a possible IC Champ or A heavyweight Champ.

[Chazz]

First of all, the WWE would be insane to stop the brand extension. Second, Vince doesn't have to stop it because he is the major player in wrestling. Like an businessman, Vince is giving the split time to show it can or can't work. I think it is working because like PK said, the roster the WWE has now is full of big name stars and some young talent who are on the rise.

Now, as for the cruiserweights. I'd be willing to bet that if WCW had given more attention to the cruiserweights and had told the heavy's to quit being babies, it could've survived. However, WCW went under not only because of the backstage polotics, but also because Ted Turner sold his company to Time Warner (which had no interest in trying to salvage WCW). Time Warner wanted rid of WCW so bad, that they sold it to Vince for dirt cheap. PK is right when he said that many people watched WCW because of the cruiserweights because at that time WCW was the one that featured them. I know it was what kept me watching.

[Roland]

First of all, the WWE would be insane to stop the brand extension. Second, Vince doesn't have to stop it because he is the major player in wrestling. Like an businessman, Vince is giving the split time to show it can or can't work. I think it is working because like PK said, the roster the WWE has now is full of big name stars and some young talent who are on the rise.

Now, as for the cruiserweights. I'd be willing to bet that if WCW had given more attention to the cruiserweights and had told the heavy's to quit being babies, it could've survived. However, WCW went under not only because of the backstage polotics, but also because Ted Turner sold his company to Time Warner (which had no interest in trying to salvage WCW). Time Warner wanted rid of WCW so bad, that they sold it to Vince for dirt cheap. PK is right when he said that many people watched WCW because of the cruiserweights because at that time WCW was the one that featured them. I know it was what kept me watching.


Yeah I know they wouldn't the split, I wish they would but I could careless at this point if they don't. I mean if they're gonna make Eddie look like a bad champ when he is definetly is deserving to be great, then they might as well get rid of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong people But WWE uses all there lightweights and puts them into Cruiser right? Well end the division, you mentioned Rey Meysterio, well the thing is this division isn't a one person division, its good that he helps the business out but who else WCW had Psychosis, Juventud and a bunch of other great light Cruiserweight who were awesome, and they didn't have that many young wrestler mainly because politics. And even if they did put more time into it they still wouldn't of made a main event for the light cruiserweight (If you guys don't mind me calling them that)

[The_Wolf]

i dont think it was just the crusierweights that made people watch wcw. well when wcws crusierweight division was in its prime it had guys like jerrico, eddie , juventud, malenko, pcysicous, kidman, rey jr, ultimo and many more japanese wrestlers in the picture. even beniot at a stage was in the division. i dont think the wwe could ever come up with a division with some much talent like that.

about the roster split, i think it would be a very bad move to end it. how could you just watch as they would reunite the titles again. it would make the wwe look like a joke. it would give me the impression that the wwe have simply just given up. smackdown has been down, but it hasnt been down for very long. raw is great and i think its just gonna get better. the only thing i could ever think about that would make me kinda agree with ending the split would be to make raw and smackdown a 3 hour show. but they would still have to merge the belts. but like what unknown said, the brands are finally starting to feel like seperate shows. like back when they 1st merges im sure it wouldnt be a shock if hhh turned up on SD but if he did it this weeks SD it would be a total shock. but i just dont see any positives with ending the split. guys like jerrico, rvd, edge and christian would lose their spots. im sure when smackdown gets back on track everything will be sweeeeeet.

[The Pez]

The WWE should get rid of anyone who is not on this list.
(Note: I did not include females in this list as they technically aren't wrestlers.)

Keep on Raw
Batista
Benoit
Jericho
Christian
Edge
Kane
Hardy
Maven
Orton
Rhyno
Benjamin
Richards
Tomko

Keep on SmackDown!
Big Show
Kidman
Booker T
Dudleyz
Haas
Chavo Jr.
Eddie
Cena
Jindrak
Mordecai
London
Dupree
Mysterio
Rico
RVD

[Peoples King]

Shua Im not even going to answer that list. Actually I am. You gave Raw a total of 14 wrestlers and one of them is the slopiest piece's of **** in the world, trust me the Irish and English have seen Tomoko in action. You didnt back up any of the guys you picked and gave no reasons as to why WWE should drop Triple H, HBK, GARRISON CADE, Val Venis and so many others. That is a shocking list because man you dropped some truely talented guys.